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Possible Bugs 27/03/2015 at 13:46 #70369
LucasLCC
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Hi All,

Loving the new release of Saltley, as it has a nice varied service, and the option for lots of failures is quite fun..

On the first play through, I've noticed a couple of things:

4G53 (Seed service on 04.45 start) calls wrong route going into Daw Mill Colliery. Slot was granted by the telephone, but it wouldn't take the route. In the end I just abandoned the timetable and let it go on its merry way..

All trains passing S337 leave their TD behind. Doesn't cause any problems unless two trains are chasing each other, in which case one becomes a asterisk express..

4M43, which seeds at S340, doesn't have a headcode to begin with. Is this an issues with it not liking the approach berth?

Last thing, whilst not exactly a bug, but when you play with the Up/Down Derby closed at Landor Street, then all services that are diverted do not step up correctly. Is it possible to have it so that they do step up (because obviously they miss Proof House junction when diverted so don't step past this point.)

Other than that, I'm really loving the sim.

Lucas

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Possible Bugs 28/03/2015 at 12:38 #70430
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When chained to New Street, trains sent to New St on the Up and Down Camp Hill then appear in the "Camp Hill 1st appr" box, so it looks like you have a train arriving, when in fact you haven't.
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Possible Bugs 28/03/2015 at 12:59 #70433
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When chained to New Street, trains sent to New St on the Up and Down Camp Hill then appear in the "Camp Hill 1st appr" box, so it looks like you have a train arriving, when in fact you haven't.
I've already logged it onto bug board, but thank you for confirming it.

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Possible Bugs 29/03/2015 at 15:43 #70493
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Has anyone noticed that trains on the routing between Stratford-Upon-Avon and Snow St via Shirley are losing about 5-6 minutes along the way? For instance, 2B03 is always about 6-7 minutes late by the time it reaches Shirley.

I've noticed this and few other peculiarities with dwell times and some trains not departing on schedule. I have run the first few hours of the new version twice now and have had consistent results thus far. Everything is set to run on time with no failures just to check it out.

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Possible Bugs 29/03/2015 at 16:08 #70494
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Most of the stops between Tyseley and Stratford are request stops, they lose time because in SimSig the train stops at all of them
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Possible Bugs 30/03/2015 at 10:13 #70531
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Might that be a possible idea for a new timetable feature? Being able to mark a stop as a request stop with an associated stop probability. In the timetable window, those could be shown with an 'r', e.g. 11r28.
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Possible Bugs 30/03/2015 at 10:35 #70532
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Might that be a possible idea for a new timetable feature? Being able to mark a stop as a request stop with an associated stop probability. In the timetable window, those could be shown with an 'r', e.g. 11r28.
It's already been logged on the issue tracking software for possible inclusion at some point.

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Possible Bugs 01/04/2015 at 21:29 #70622
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Has anyone noticed that trains on the routing between Stratford-Upon-Avon and Snow St via Shirley are losing about 5-6 minutes along the way? For instance, 2B03 is always about 6-7 minutes late by the time it reaches Shirley.

I've noticed this and few other peculiarities with dwell times and some trains not departing on schedule. I have run the first few hours of the new version twice now and have had consistent results thus far. Everything is set to run on time with no failures just to check it out.
This is a timetable bug. In the supplied timetable 2/150 and 3/150 are both set to have an acceleration of "very low" hence these trains lose a lot of time. If you change the acceleration to high then they should more or less keep to time.

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Possible Bugs 02/04/2015 at 23:02 #70689
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I have cleared SH29 up to Sh28 only. trains pass the signal however the aspect never clears and remains at red as though a SPAD has occurred. any ideas?
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Possible Bugs 03/04/2015 at 02:14 #70693
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I have cleared SH29 up to Sh28 only. trains pass the signal however the aspect never clears and remains at red as though a SPAD has occurred. any ideas?
Some strange signalling with these lower quadrants. I found a train will not pass the signals if the stems are not light. However, if lit but signal shows RED, the train may proceed. It may depend on whether the signal lever has not been returned to stop after a previous train.
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Possible Bugs 03/04/2015 at 17:10 #70733
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Playing the new Saltley loader, delighted to have it as an addition.

Found 2 instances where trains that have been 20+ late have been stopping at signals saying they are at red when they are actually showing a clear aspect and refusing to move.

Happened with 2J12 (24 late) 194 at Moor St on the down, 2B09 (14 late) at Tyseley South Jn and SH29 at Shirley again in the down direction - didn't get the headcode I'm afraid.

On the train list it says the trains are awaiting right-away. Told 2J12 to shunt forward it increased speed to 15mph then stopped and went through the station stop procedure again. Tried to shunt forward again at the rightaway stage but still nothing.

Any ideas?

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Possible Bugs 03/04/2015 at 22:46 #70742
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Trains for Kingsbury Shunt Frame from the Derby direction should be held in Elford Loop until the Kingsbury slot is given.

I had 4M97 approaching Kingsbury from Water Orton having received the slot so when 6M35 entered from Wichnor Jn I expected it to wait in Elford Loop until was able to request and for it to receive the slot. Nope. On it's way after a brief pause in the loop.

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Possible Bugs 04/04/2015 at 11:21 #70750
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Trains for Kingsbury Shunt Frame from the Derby direction should be held in Elford Loop until the Kingsbury slot is given.

I had 4M97 approaching Kingsbury from Water Orton having received the slot so when 6M35 entered from Wichnor Jn I expected it to wait in Elford Loop until was able to request and for it to receive the slot. Nope. On it's way after a brief pause in the loop.
At least that's fixed the issue of it entering the loop and never leaving!

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Possible Bugs 04/04/2015 at 14:17 #70752
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Trains for Kingsbury Shunt Frame from the Derby direction should be held in Elford Loop until the Kingsbury slot is given.

I had 4M97 approaching Kingsbury from Water Orton having received the slot so when 6M35 entered from Wichnor Jn I expected it to wait in Elford Loop until was able to request and for it to receive the slot. Nope. On it's way after a brief pause in the loop.
I had the same issue last night (although with different trains), though I didn't notice whether it entered the loop at all.

Separately, there is a rare bug where trains from Ryecroft Junction are not stepping their description to S269 from the APPR berth, resulting in "****" being interposed at S265. However, I haven't yet worked out a pattern - it usually works.

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Possible Bugs 04/04/2015 at 16:54 #70753
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Separately, there is a rare bug where trains from Ryecroft Junction are not stepping their description to S269 from the APPR berth, resulting in "****" being interposed at S265. However, I haven't yet worked out a pattern - it usually works.
An educated hunch - does it occur with 2 trains in close succession? :whistle:

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Possible Bugs 04/04/2015 at 17:07 #70754
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Sadly not :(

However, I can get the bug to reproduce for the first train that enters from Ryecroft Jn on a TT, which is very odd! In the attached save, 6V25 entered at 04:49am. The TD steps forwards to S269 at 04:52:30-ish, but when T611 becomes occupied at 04:53:10ish, the TD disappears.

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Possible Bugs 04/04/2015 at 21:16 #70764
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Trains for Kingsbury Shunt Frame from the Derby direction should be held in Elford Loop until the Kingsbury slot is given.

I had 4M97 approaching Kingsbury from Water Orton having received the slot so when 6M35 entered from Wichnor Jn I expected it to wait in Elford Loop until was able to request and for it to receive the slot. Nope. On it's way after a brief pause in the loop.
Purely by chance, I found out that one can put a reminder on the exit signal from the loop (even though it's grey and not strictly one of yours), which keeps him waiting until you are ready to receive him. I hope this is a feature and not a bug - it's extremely useful if it is a bug!

Mike

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Possible Bugs 05/04/2015 at 13:03 #70795
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The TT Analyser thinks that the following sets of locations are incorrect:

* Hatton West Jn - [Bearley] - Bearley (West) Jn (claims Bearley and Bearley Jn are out of order)
* Bearley (West) Jn - [Bearley] - Hatton West Jn (claims Hatton West Jn out of order)

The TTs validate correctly.

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Possible Bugs 05/04/2015 at 15:25 #70806
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The TT Analyser thinks that the following sets of locations are incorrect:

* Hatton West Jn - [Bearley] - Bearley (West) Jn (claims Bearley and Bearley Jn are out of order)
* Bearley (West) Jn - [Bearley] - Hatton West Jn (claims Hatton West Jn out of order)

The TTs validate correctly.
Do the times at each location follow correctly? I've sometimes found that if you have 00:00 at a location it upsets the Analyser.

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Possible Bugs 05/04/2015 at 15:33 #70807
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Yes, the times are in order. Try analysing the default TT, there's plenty in that which are flagged up.
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Possible Bugs 25/06/2015 at 22:59 #73703
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I have cleared SH29 up to Sh28 only. trains pass the signal however the aspect never clears and remains at red as though a SPAD has occurred. any ideas?
Some strange signalling with these lower quadrants. I found a train will not pass the signals if the stems are not light. However, if lit but signal shows RED, the train may proceed. It may depend on whether the signal lever has not been returned to stop after a previous train.
Barry
From the session tonight it surprised me that trains would pass the red signal at SH29. Is this correct and/or should this be fixed?

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Possible Bugs 25/06/2015 at 23:19 #73704
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I have cleared SH29 up to Sh28 only. trains pass the signal however the aspect never clears and remains at red as though a SPAD has occurred. any ideas?
Some strange signalling with these lower quadrants. I found a train will not pass the signals if the stems are not light. However, if lit but signal shows RED, the train may proceed. It may depend on whether the signal lever has not been returned to stop after a previous train.
Barry
From the session tonight it surprised me that trains would pass the red signal at SH29. Is this correct and/or should this be fixed?
Mantis 13833 applies.

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Possible Bugs 26/06/2015 at 08:41 #73706
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I have cleared SH29 up to Sh28 only. trains pass the signal however the aspect never clears and remains at red as though a SPAD has occurred. any ideas?
Some strange signalling with these lower quadrants. I found a train will not pass the signals if the stems are not light. However, if lit but signal shows RED, the train may proceed. It may depend on whether the signal lever has not been returned to stop after a previous train.
Barry
From the session tonight it surprised me that trains would pass the red signal at SH29. Is this correct and/or should this be fixed?
Mantis 13833 applies.
Can we get to look at Mantis or is that for the illuminati only?

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Possible Bugs 26/06/2015 at 14:37 #73708
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Mantis 13833 applies.
Can we get to look at Mantis or is that for the illuminati only?
The latter, since there are plenty of issues for unreleased sims and apparently that would spoil things for us

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Possible Bugs 26/06/2015 at 19:19 #73709
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It really really isn't that exciting... It's basically just an online database of issues with sims
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