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| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 30/11/2015 at 20:56 #78252 | |
jc92
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tried burton wetmore junction and TT validated and worked fine. 4M69 was the guinea pig
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| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 30/12/2015 at 19:01 #79418 | |
belly buster
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Is this Y aspect correct?
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| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 06/01/2016 at 21:51 #79642 | |
Hpotter
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Yeah this is correct Red, Shunt & Yellow only...
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| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 31/10/2022 at 20:08 #148559 | |
9pN1SEAp
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I'm having trouble in the Derby 2015 (Weekday) TT with 6M38 - it validates fine but refuses to appear from Mantle Lane TC (Up) to head towards Lounge... I had to change its entry location to the Loco Depot to make it work. Era 2006, TORR off, TSR rare, weather good. Thanks Jamie Jamie S (JAMS) Log in to reply |
| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 31/10/2022 at 23:13 #148566 | |
headshot119
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Mantis 36875 for visibility.
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| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 22/11/2022 at 22:55 #148898 | |
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9pN1SEAp
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In 2015 era, for trains arriving from Clay Cross Jn into P1, the descriptor stays on the P1B (T721) berth even if the train stops on P1A (T711). It does step when DY441 is pulled off. Is this expected behaviour as it's different to the other platforms? Thanks Jamie Jamie S (JAMS) Log in to reply |
| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 23/11/2022 at 01:53 #148901 | |
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Phil-jmw
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If a description is staying in the first berth it comes to at either end of an empty platform at Derby station it is actually behaving prototypically. TD's always stopped in the first berth, and only stepped forward to the departing signal berth when that signal was cleared. In the sim they behave wrongly stepping to the far end of the platform as a train enters. As I'm currently running a Derby sim, two more things for entry into MANTIS if they are not already there are as follows:- Matlock Branch - The token release at Ambergate Station is wrong. The token release was achieved simply by setting a route from DY572 Sig to Matlock, there was no separate 'release' button as is provided in the sim. Releasing a token at Matlock for a movement from Peak Rail through the ground frame was achieved by setting a route from Matlock to DY571 Sig at Ambergate, but the entrance button at Matlock to facilitate this does not exist in the sim (IIRC it was a combined Down Exit/Up Entrance button). Wirksworth Branch - As with Ambergate there was no separate release button to release a token at Duffield. Beyond this I cannot comment on the operation of the Wirksworth branch as it had been under long term possession by the time I started working in the PSB. Can you shed any light Vince? As a matter of interest, as trains do not enter at Denby OC (known issue), I am experimenting with by having a Denby departure enter at Wirksworth just to get it in the sim (am I the first person to try this?). The train has called up requesting to depart and I gave permission to release a token. The driver then makes two separate requests to pass firstly signal WQE at danger but when I reply he has hung up, and then shortly afterwards from signal WQ with the same thing happening. Shortly after this the 'Release' roundel flashes which I acknowledge. Shortly after this **** appears in the DY547/548 TD berth and a quick look in the F2 window shows the train on the move. Using Wirksworth as an entry point is not prototypical I know, but until if/when the sim bugs are addressed, at least it gets the Denby departures into the sim from a nearby location, when they otherwise wouldn't enter at all, a compromise which has been used in other sims where entry location timetabling issues have occurred. Last edited: 23/11/2022 at 19:26 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 23/11/2022 at 02:24 #148902 | |
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Phil-jmw
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Just found two more bugs, not sure if they've been reported already. Willington power station shunter gave a slot to Derby to allow trains to enter, but 'Willington Shunter' is not in the 'Place Call' dropdown list to be able to make such a request, and unprototypically a slot isn't replicated in the sim.
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| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 23/11/2022 at 17:21 #148911 | |
VInce
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If memory serves the branch was technically open up to 1991. It is a long while ago but I'm pretty sure engineers took possession of the line some time in 1989. There was a note on the panel that the token was held in the engineers office at Derby with a contact number. What happened to the token I don't know. Operation was very similar to the Matlock bramch where setting a route from Duffield Branch platform to Wirksworth released a token. I have somewhere Howard Sprenger's excellent book on the branch called "Rails to Wirksworth" I'll try and find it amongst my 40 years worth of aquired paperwork. Meanwhile I was hoping https://photos.signalling.org might help but the photos of the panel are too new and taken after the branch was removed from the panel. I'll be back when I find the book... Vince PS Phil - I amended my copy of the timetable for the Denby trains to start from St Marys which works but, of course its a cheat! Never tried them starting at Wirksworth. I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 23/11/2022 at 17:52 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 23/11/2022 at 17:29 #148913 | |
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jc92
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VInce in post 148911 said:If memory serves the branch was technically open up to 1991. It is a long while ago but I'm pretty sure engineers took possession of the line some time in 1988. There was a note on the panel that the token was held in the engineers office at Derby with a contact number. What happened to the token I don't know. Operation was very similar to the Matlock bramch where setting a route from Duffield Branch platform to Wirksworth released a token.I'll try and find itWhile on the subject of branches and tokens. how did Denby work? presumably there was a token station a few hundred yards onto the branch for the train to stop and withdraw it, then return it on the way back? "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 23/11/2022 at 17:41 #148914 | |
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VInce
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Correct. At the former crossing in Little Eaton village (just down the road from where I live) there is a small metal platform (still extant) which is where the token instrument was located. There are two videos on You Tube which may be of interest:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsMJH9iwFOg&ab_channel=UTTOX5F (Denby Branch) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBCijiVh3fA&ab_channel=NicholasTozer (Wirksworth Branch) The metal bridge is shown about 7 mins in on the Denby video. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 23/11/2022 at 17:48 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 23/11/2022 at 18:55 #148917 | |
GeoffM
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Mantis 37088 - Willington not in call list Mantis 37089 - Willington slot Mantis 37090 - Matlock slot Mantis 37091 - Matlock routesetting/slot Mantis 37092 - Wirksworth Not logged: 9pN1SEAp's Derby P1 TD step as we can't recreate it. Please be aware that Karl volunteered on his own time and dime to only fixing showstoppers relating to running older timetables and some of these tickets may be NFA. TD stepping, as an example, differs between the report given and the real life stepping data file we have - but the TD system has been replaced at least once which may explain the difference. I think I've captured everything. I'm aware that an error is currently being reported for Mantis links (website issue - for some unknown reason, the Mantis developers used an int field for a binary public/private field, and the values are not consistent). SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 23/11/2022 at 20:02 #148919 | |
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Phil-jmw
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GeoffM in post 148917 said:Mantis 37088 - Willington not in call listThanks for logging these Geoff. GeoffM in post 148917 said: Please be aware that Karl volunteered on his own time and dime to only fixing showstoppers relating to running older timetables and some of these tickets may be NFA. TD stepping, as an example, differs between the report given and the real life stepping data file we have - but the TD system has been replaced at least once which may explain the difference.The TD's I was familiar with and whose operation I described in my earlier post (eg a train arriving in Pfm.1 from the south or west would have its description stop in the DY441 berth (west end), and only step to DY451 when that signal was cleared to depart north), were the original cathode ray tube TD's installed when Derby PSB opened in 1969, and some were certainly showing their age by the early 90's but the box TO performed minor miracles for years to keep them functioning and readable. They were replaced in 2005 (long after I had moved on) by slightly larger dot-matrix TD's (it could be, Geoff, that it is the stepping data file for this newer installation that you have replicated in the sim), bringing with them Automatic Train Reporting to TRUST for the first time at Derby. Prior to this, manual train reporting at Derby Station, Etches Park Depot and Wichnor Jn was carried out by the performance clerks on the back desk from panel observation as the older TD system would not support ATR. Last edited: 23/11/2022 at 21:38 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: GeoffM |
| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 23/11/2022 at 20:13 #148920 | |
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Phil-jmw
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VInce in post 148911 said:If memory serves the branch was technically open up to 1991. It is a long while ago but I'm pretty sure engineers took possession of the line some time in 1989. There was a note on the panel that the token was held in the engineers office at Derby with a contact number. What happened to the token I don't know. Operation was very similar to the Matlock bramch where setting a route from Duffield Branch platform to Wirksworth released a token.Yes Vince, that note on the panel is how I always remembered it, the branch had been mothballed before I started working up there, but I reckon it may have been late 1990, as I recall reporting limestone trains in TOPS for the Eastern Counties sugar beet season from Wirksworth in autumn 1990. 57131 was Wirksworth TOPS STANOX, the things we remember, eh? VInce in post 148911 said: PS Phil - I amended my copy of the timetable for the Denby trains to start from St Marys which works but, of course its a cheat! Never tried them starting at Wirksworth.I didn't think to try and start them from St Mary's, but another good call. My amended Wirksworth originator worked fine, came off the branch without a hitch. Last edited: 23/11/2022 at 20:17 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 23/11/2022 at 21:36 #148922 | |
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VInce
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GeoffM in post 148917 said:Mantis 37088 - Willington not in call listGeoff, I've mentioned a couple of times in other threads routes missing in the Derby station area. These are specifically: - From DY441,442,443,444,445,446 and GPL 447 to DY439 reverse. How it worked in practice was that the signaller sets a route from any of those signals to either DY388 or DY417 and the movement would stop over DY439 to reverse back into platforms 2,3,4,5,6, or the station CS. Note that it was impossible to route into P1 from DY439. Currently if those routes are set the movement continues to GPL 435 or GPL 429 which is not the way it worked. So we need DY439 as a reversal point. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 23/11/2022 at 21:46 #148923 | |
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headshot119
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Vince can I just reach a clear understanding here of what you're after. Are you saying the sim is missing a reversing location at DY439, and the associated timetable paths for that movement? When we talk about routes in SimSig (And wider signaling simulators) that is for setting routes between signals, not for timetabling purposes. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 23/11/2022 at 21:57 #148924 | |
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VInce
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Sorry I didn't make myself clear. When a route is set for shunt movement out of any the platforms or the yard (DY441 to DY447 inclusive) at the west end the route is set from that signal to either DY388 (west) or DY417 (south) and the movement should stop at DY439 to reverse. There is no DY439 (reverse) in the routing table. Is that OK? Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 23/11/2022 at 21:58 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 23/11/2022 at 22:03 #148925 | |
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headshot119
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Hi Vince, yes that's clear now. Mantis 37093 for a timetable location to reverse at DY439 signal.
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| Derby issues / bugs / features etc 23/11/2022 at 22:16 #148926 | |
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VInce
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Silly mistake in what I said. It would not apply to a shunt movement out of P1 - any shunt move at the west end from DY441 would always have to reverse at DY435 or DY429 Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 24/11/2022 at 00:00 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply |