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| Mossend night shift 1977 Q - re sleeper loco change 07/08/2015 at 18:53 #74873 | |
MOSCOT
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New boy on block :doh ,lurker for few years -recently bought the "well" as from that area in the 70s Been havin fun - now trying :silly: make my first timetable 1977 with GF/GB 1977WTTs(Mandatory + Condtional) I have night shift done 260+ trains and loads of LE DEFs and changes Diesel to Elecy in Mossend and Carstairs BUT -One point got little lost on me before I sign off my night shift and move onto daytime trains - is routing the "Elec" locos back onto Southbound Sleepers held in UC at Mossend to replace the Diesels who are coming off ok. I only get overlap message when trying to route /timetable elec loco back onto sleeper held in the UC line - am sure this was where was done - In 1980s mode I cannot back down from Sigs 317/321/323 via 315 into UC after coming out the loco holding .Can be done in later years setting 1- How to do - am I missing something - Time out ?/ read something about POL but amlost 2- Currently for TT to work I route south bound sleepers/motorails into the UR1/2/3 - which for me was not proto as they are goods lines - am sure when I travelled then in the 70s it was done on the main(UC)- brain is dim now - hence question Once complete timetable done will pass on for you guys to enjoy some late night Scottish madness including some 26s /37s and 85s and washed down with a 303/311 or two Log in to reply |
| Mossend night shift 1977 Q - re sleeper loco change 07/08/2015 at 19:56 #74874 | |
58050
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MOSCOT wrote: Quote: New boy on block :doh ,lurker for few years -recently bought the "well" as from that area in the 70s Been havin fun - now trying :silly: make my first timetable 1977 with GF/GB 1977WTTs(Mandatory + Condtional) I have night shift done 260+ trains and loads of LE DEFs and changes Diesel to Elecy in Mossend and Carstairs Hi there if you download this timetable file its the start of the version of the Motherwell 1979-1980 timetable I'm writing to chain with the one I wrote for Carlisle. There are a few moves apperating to the loco changes at Mossend. I will be re-writing this timetable completely soon with UIDs so it will chain to Carlisle. Also you need to bear in mind that this sim is having some updates done to it so the version you download won't necessarily be up to date. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| Mossend night shift 1977 Q - re sleeper loco change 07/08/2015 at 20:02 #74875 | |
Peter Bennet
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Ah there was a bug which I've fixed since. I've also made some other changes to the SIM which I can't remember if I finished - I've also got to add the more recent changes. This latter point will take some time. What I'll do is see where I got to and if I can do a release for where I am at present. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: 58050 |
| Mossend night shift 1977 Q - re sleeper loco change 07/08/2015 at 21:22 #74877 | |
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Peter Bennet
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I've just quickly checked it and the default TT validates, I'm pretty certain it was tested earlier this year and no show stoppers found. The main change is the Entry point of the Shotts line moved back to Midcalder Jn (Mandatory timing point), the default timetable has been altered and any other timetables will need tweaked I'm afraid. Couple of other mandatory timetable locations added but they are not mandatory for Sim tt writing purposes. Might be an idea to have it tested before I send to Geoff to release. I'll put a post in Temp asking if any one wants to volunteer. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Mossend night shift 1977 Q - re sleeper loco change 07/08/2015 at 23:31 #74883 | |
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MOSCOT
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Thanks 58050 Never thought to route the diesels down to the TMD, I don't have the local trip working WTT - so probably it happened that way as you guys have loads more info than my 2 wtt I will ajust the sleepers and motorail back into UC and the LE loco onto 'well' TMD like you have . Most of night shift done now - happy to send onto you my file if you want to pull any common workings with your super chain timetable to make use of with Carlisle/Edinburgh . My 77 seems to run ok -set on Perfect till 5/6 am -Just add rule and lengths to fix/adjust Will get to work now on the day shift +suburban now Hamilton dmu depot ( still live in 77)-departures I am adjusting the timing to use the sidings next to Ham west as the depot. Question -- maybe you might be aware of but impacts on Newton :evil: - Kirhill - turn back 2E23 workings from GLC +Cathcart fringe control - there is no point work showing in motherwell well diagram for Kirkhill - how did they go back- it impacts on Newton being so close 1-2 blocks- I plan to bring these terminating Kirhill workings( each 30 mins in WTT) onto to Newton empty and turn back(assume point failure /issue at Kirkhill) - original signalling in 60s Cathcart electrification - shows point work there -Think can be done anyhow in the layover time period( perfect) - have tried one/two workings - seems doable and adds to the flavour when issues around .Any info/comments appreciated Log in to reply |
| Mossend night shift 1977 Q - re sleeper loco change 08/08/2015 at 12:41 #74898 | |
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bill_gensheet
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Regarding Kirkhill, I think you are stuck. My 1984 date was selected to allow me to avoid this problem as you do need Kirkhill sidings to run the timetable. As Peter has said there are a number of alterations around Mossend from the release version that change things a lot, and are why my 1984 TT is not out yet. Several 'handy' routes were not there in reality at the time. From memory I think it only affects the freights permanently, the rest were indeed bugs. My southbound loco changes are on UC and are set up as diesels to down yard via Mossend South Jn M357(rev) and electrics on from M317(rev). regards Bill Log in to reply |
| Mossend night shift 1977 Q - re sleeper loco change 08/08/2015 at 13:05 #74900 | |
Meld
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IIRC from my trips in the early 80s the West Highland portion used to arrive in UR1 - diesel loco detached and the electric went on this portion - when the Inverness portion arrived in UC, (this was given the equivalent of what we call a far end exact stop) the diesel detached and went on its merry way and the Electric and West Highland portion then reversed back from 317?? onto UC, coupled up a quick brake test and was on its way.
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| Mossend night shift 1977 Q - re sleeper loco change 08/08/2015 at 13:54 #74903 | |
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bill_gensheet
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I'd think the Inverness would be FX+100 or so, unless it was pushed back inside the signal by the now electric FW portion (4 coaches). Can you recall the route(s) for the southbound ? There's all sorts of guesses out there ! I have heard of it going via Stirling just to waste time in a safe place. Bill Log in to reply |
| Mossend night shift 1977 Q - re sleeper loco change 08/08/2015 at 14:55 #74906 | |
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Meld
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From memory 81/82ish the WHL was detached at Cowlairs West off the last Fort Bill - Queen street with a kick out loco off Eastfield (25/26/27/37 very often a non heated version at that) Everytime I was on it it ran Springburn - Gartcosh - Gartsherrie - Coatbridge - direct to Mossend, booked to arrive about 2326 (1D05 2236 Cowlairs Signalbox - Mossend), so sat there a while - luckily the rubber glove department were pretty quick in performing the loco change, allowing the heat to be restored. Shunted onto 1M16 for a 2345 departure from Mossend Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Log in to reply |
| Mossend night shift 1977 Q - re sleeper loco change 08/08/2015 at 16:09 #74909 | |
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sloppyjag
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I did a Freedom of Scotland in 1984ish and it was going via Stirling at that time (saw it from the Edinburgh-Inverness sleeper but never travelled on it - plenty of other opportunities to get an ETH duff as it was by then.)
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