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Tyneside Bugs 28/08/2016 at 17:01 #84371 | |
MarkC
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" said:" said:Same as what SimSig wiki shows HereI agree, timetable rules and Google suggest that platform should be much longer than 188m (the current length of the two TCs). Mantis 15667 applies.2016 Rules of the Plan gives: Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 28/08/2016 at 18:06 #84374 | |
MarkC
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" said:When chained to York, up trains transferring from Tyneside don't appear to pick up their Current/Next location - trains due to stop at Northallerton are whizzing through non-stop as the York sim thinks the train is still at "Up Main (Darlington)". If the train gets as far as York it sits at a red signal and then calls in to say it's waiting. Down trains transferring from York to Tyneside are fine.I got curious about this and started playing around abit, and I'll try and describe what I found. When playing york only trains entering from UP Darlington were shown as entered at Darlington then Darlington south JN etc, this i confirmed watching F2 in york sim. When I chained up york and tyne trains passing Darlington and south JN do not show in york F2 even tho it does when NOT chained at this point, it will be a signal or 2 before northallerton before york sees it as being on the sim and announce it's entry. Tried to put up a screen shot, but due to size when posted here is not of sufficant quality to see clearly. Last edited: 28/08/2016 at 18:11 by MarkC Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 28/08/2016 at 20:11 #84378 | |
Jan
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" said:When I chained up york and tyne trains passing Darlington and south JN do not show in york F2 even tho it does when NOT chained at this point, it will be a signal or 2 before northallerton before york sees it as being on the sim and announce it's entry. That's the expected behaviour when chaining simulations. In standalone mode, there's no other sim that can take over running the fringe area, hence in that example trains enter at Darlington already and start appearing in the train list from that point onwards. When chained on the other hand, each simulation can be responsible for its own area of control, hence up trains remain under Tyneside's control (and don't show up in York's train list) until they pass the actual signal box fringe near Northallerton. Two million people attempt to use Birmingham's magnificent rail network every year, with just over a million of them managing to get further than Smethwick. Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 28/08/2016 at 20:18 #84379 | |
Ben86
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" said:" said:For info, I added the platform lengths to the wiki, as I looked them up for my own benefit and thought others might find useful. I took the info from the planning rules doc (2014) and am happy for someone to amend if needed." said:Same as what SimSig wiki shows HereI agree, timetable rules and Google suggest that platform should be much longer than 188m (the current length of the two TCs). Mantis 15667 applies.2016 Rules of the Plan gives: Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 29/08/2016 at 02:45 #84385 | |
Mattyq
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Just wondering if this sim should be coded such that fringe signallers call ahead to request early trains to keep coming or be held until time? I have 6E01 sitting at Metro Centre 19" early waiting crew relief. 2N06 behind and will cop about a 20" delay. ![]() ![]() Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Not fat ..... fluffy!! (G Iglesias) Last edited: 29/08/2016 at 02:49 by Mattyq Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 29/08/2016 at 05:45 #84388 | |
ozrail
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I've been set up like this in real life.
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Tyneside Bugs 29/08/2016 at 11:40 #84394 | |
Sacro
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" said:Just wondering if this sim should be coded such that fringe signallers call ahead to request early trains to keep coming or be held until time?Given that once you've left Carlisle there's nowhere to loop anything they probably shouldn't appear out of order from this entry point. Calling in to let you know is possible but if you hold the freight then everything behind it gets held too. Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 29/08/2016 at 22:43 #84418 | |
BarryM
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" said:" said:2N06 must be running late. Timed to enter at 08:00½. 6E01 is timed to enter at 08:12. A rule is needed?Just wondering if this sim should be coded such that fringe signallers call ahead to request early trains to keep coming or be held until time?Given that once you've left Carlisle there's nowhere to loop anything they probably shouldn't appear out of order from this entry point. Calling in to let you know is possible but if you hold the freight then everything behind it gets held too. Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 30/08/2016 at 04:17 #84422 | |
Mattyq
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" said:Just wondering if this sim should be coded such that fringe signallers call ahead to request early trains to keep coming or be held until time? " said: Noted. Yes the "keep 'em in order" rule would be good. " said: 2N06 entered bang on time, Barry. 6E01 entered 29 minutes early. Not fat ..... fluffy!! (G Iglesias) Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 31/08/2016 at 00:12 #84431 | |
Stephen Fulcher
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That is shown as fixed on the bug tracker.
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Tyneside Q&A and issues 31/08/2016 at 00:48 #84432 | |
GeoffM
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Version 1.1 of the simulation and the timetables are now available which should fix all the issues unless we've missed something. Thanks for your patience. Click "Check for updates" in the Loader. SimSig Boss Log in to reply The following users said thank you: wigley62, ajax103, BarryM |
Tyneside Bugs 31/08/2016 at 10:27 #84433 | |
njimiller
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Fantastic sim - thanks to all involved. When Tyneside is chained to York North and South, trains entering York North and South from Darlington do so with the first location point on their timetable as Darlington South Junction. As such the timetable doesn't step up leading to trains not stopping at Northallerton. The beginner mode start up option on Tyneside has reference to Leeds in the description of selected scenario box. Thanks Nick Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 31/08/2016 at 10:42 #84434 | |
Danny252
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Chaining issues reported a few pages back (#15655), though I suspect it'll wait for an update to York.
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Tyneside Bugs 01/09/2016 at 17:48 #84453 | |
Sidestick Priority
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When playing Tyneside earlier I had the sim not respond and then shut down on me. Below are the last few lines from the log. CompilerVersion: 4.5.12 CompileDateTime: 2016/08/30 17:26:39 Simulation loaded 08:27:43 Exception in R6206DM RouteRequest (EStackOverflow: Stack overflow) 08:27:43 00556214 00556365 0052AACE 00540075 0053F8B4 005331EF 0056EF52 004E0455 401079DC 40107A5F 40107AAB 401075BF 4010A83D 4003945E 74E9D273 74E7E84A 74E7DED7 64FE5EAA 64FE5E34 It happened as I was about to set the route from 6206 at Sunderland P2 towards 6298 Park Lane. There was a train approaching 6205 Dn Sunderland at the time, and another departing P4. Both platform signals were set to auto, and there was a train in P2 (the one I wanted to route towards Park Lane). Additional comment - I think there might have been a reduced overlap in effect in P2 at the time (from memory, not entirely sure of this). I have been unable to reproduce the event as of yet. Regards, SP Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 02/09/2016 at 00:50 #84457 | |
BarryM
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Strange happenings with East Bolden CCTV. Some trains activate the lowering of the barriers. Has anybody noted this? Any explanation? Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 02/09/2016 at 15:49 #84459 | |
Stephen Fulcher
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Non-stoppers Baz?
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Tyneside Bugs 02/09/2016 at 16:35 #84465 | |
Andrew G
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" said:Strange happenings with East Bolden CCTV. Some trains activate the lowering of the barriers. Has anybody noted this?In Version 1.0 the ARS was setting all trains as Non Stop. This has now been corrected in the latest version (1.1) and ARS now interrogates the WTT and sets the route accordingly. I have got an outstanding query with Geoff as to whether the lack of Auto Lower for Stopping trains is prototypical or an issue. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: BarryM |
Tyneside Bugs 02/09/2016 at 20:02 #84466 | |
ajax103
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I'm currently playing the default timetable with a start time of 00:00 and I think somehow SimSig has invented time travel! But before anyone gets excited, it's only because the sim doesn't yet differentia between services that use the same headcode but different timings for example 0N05 is seeded in the Newcastle station area and every time I've played this so far, the driver askes to leave around 8hrs early yet it's return working shares the same headcode so once the first train is activated in the sim, it assumes that the return working has also run.... I think this is a bug in the sim because I've recently completed a good many hours on the 1982 TT for the Victoria Central sim which shares the same headcode for a number of different services but it doesn't have the same issue as Tyneside does. I know there's a easy fix in adding a number to the headcode of every service to separate them but I still feel this is a bug on the sim. The other bug is the sim says services are seeding when they don't, 0N05/0N07 for starters etc Last edited: 02/09/2016 at 20:14 by ajax103 Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 02/09/2016 at 20:13 #84468 | |
headshot119
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" said:I'm currently playing the default timetable with a start time of 00:00 and I think somehow SimSig has invented time travel!I don't quite understand what the problem is that you are having. Are you saying that 0N05 is asking to leave 8 hours early and you're given the option to tell him to wait for booked time? If so that's fairly standard behavior across all sims. I've not had any issues with the return half of 0N05 entering the simulation, even though it's marked as having entered because a train with that UID has already run. (Which isn't in itself a bug if you look at the real schedule it's actually one schedule, split for SimSig purposes) "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 02/09/2016 at 20:21 #84469 | |
ajax103
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" said:" said:I've just started the timetable again, for some reason 0N07 has appeared in the sim BUT if you check the train list, it makes no mention of this service...I'm currently playing the default timetable with a start time of 00:00 and I think somehow SimSig has invented time travel!I don't quite understand what the problem is that you are having. Are you saying that 0N05 is asking to leave 8 hours early and you're given the option to tell him to wait for booked time? If so that's fairly standard behavior across all sims. 07:25 Newcastle Central - Newcastle Central (GR Cl.67) is the service mentioned which according to the timetable seeds at Signal 6037 which I believe is the controlling exit signal for Provincial Siding at Newcastle. So how can a service appear in the sim but doesn't actually appear at all? I understand what you're saying about Simsig having split the schedule for Simsig purposes but you can't have a service say it has appeared/been seeded when it hasn't. That in itself is a Bug. Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 02/09/2016 at 20:33 #84471 | |
headshot119
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Issues with 0N05 seeding have been reported here. But at the same time I don't get told 0N07 or 0N05 have been seeded if they haven't. A train being marked as grey in the timetable doesn't necessarily mean a train has run, or entered. 0N05 and 0N07 are mutually exclusive, so if 0N05 seeds, 0N07 also gets marked as grey, as it won't be entering. Because 0N05 shares a UID, the second (or third, fourth etc) are also marked as grey as far as the sim is concerned that schedule has entered. Again I've had no problem with the second portion entering (nor have I had problems in other simulations with similar situations in the timetable.) "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 02/09/2016 at 21:33 #84473 | |
ajax103
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" said:Issues with 0N05 seeding have been reported here. But at the same time I don't get told 0N07 or 0N05 have been seeded if they haven't.Then why can't the services be shown as 0N07-1 for the first part of the schedule and 0N07-2 for the second part, I can't see why services have to share a UID - I'm not being difficult I just can't see why they ought to. Surely that is what the rules tool is for so if 0N05 enters then 0N07 won't be grayed out because it won't have entered. Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 02/09/2016 at 21:48 #84474 | |
headshot119
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" said:" said:Unique IDs are a Network Rail invention in effect. Each schedule on the network has an ID, and SimSig uses these as the Unique ID. Trains like RHTTs, light loco moves for crew training, sandite trains, test trains, are all one large schedule. SimSig splits these down where required, like 0N05 where it leaves the simulation, and comes back later, but they share the same UID as it's the same train, both portions can't be in the simulation at the same time!Issues with 0N05 seeding have been reported here. But at the same time I don't get told 0N07 or 0N05 have been seeded if they haven't.Then why can't the services be shown as 0N07-1 for the first part of the schedule and 0N07-2 for the second part, I can't see why services have to share a UID - I'm not being difficult I just can't see why they ought to. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 02/09/2016 at 23:54 #84475 | |
ajax103
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" said:" said:Then there should be rules put in so if 0N05 appears then 0N07 must appear/must not appear, simples" said:Unique IDs are a Network Rail invention in effect. Each schedule on the network has an ID, and SimSig uses these as the Unique ID. Trains like RHTTs, light loco moves for crew training, sandite trains, test trains, are all one large schedule. SimSig splits these down where required, like 0N05 where it leaves the simulation, and comes back later, but they share the same UID as it's the same train, both portions can't be in the simulation at the same time!Issues with 0N05 seeding have been reported here. But at the same time I don't get told 0N07 or 0N05 have been seeded if they haven't.Then why can't the services be shown as 0N07-1 for the first part of the schedule and 0N07-2 for the second part, I can't see why services have to share a UID - I'm not being difficult I just can't see why they ought to. ![]() Log in to reply |
Tyneside Bugs 03/09/2016 at 00:08 #84476 | |
postal
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" said:" said:Mutually exclusive is a rule that makes sure that if 0N05 appears then 0N07 must not appear. I think Karl (headshot119) has already answered your question." said:Then there should be rules put in so if 0N05 appears then 0N07 must appear/must not appear, simples :)" said: “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 03/09/2016 at 08:44 by postal Log in to reply |