Some observations and questions around London Bridge

1) For such an indepth sim is there a signalling map available?

2) Sometimes if trains are running close together in a down direction through New Cross B Platform the description gets lost from the headcode, I guess this may be a fault perhaps?

3) Often, when a signal fails it states what area but I often struggle to locate which area it is as all it says is LE or similar. Is there anyway to locate these areas quickly?

4) This perhaps is a timetable observation but when trains arrive late at Charing Cross and Cannon Street, they tend to have a dwell time before they are ready to depart as per what I would assume is real life. However, at London Bridge that does not seem to be the case and as soon as a late train arrives if it should have left then it wants to leave pretty much straight away. Is this normal?

bri2808 in post 109793 said:

4) This perhaps is a timetable observation but when trains arrive late at Charing Cross and Cannon Street, they tend to have a dwell time before they are ready to depart as per what I would assume is real life. However, at London Bridge that does not seem to be the case and as soon as a late train arrives if it should have left then it wants to leave pretty much straight away. Is this normal?

Did you run the originally released version of the timetable? The initial release had dwell times missing for a number of train types. While both South Eastern and Southern train types were affected, it might just be possible that the latter's train types were some of the more frequently used ones, thereby making the problem more noticeable for Southern terminators at London Bridge.

5) Also, several times in the timetable provided the trains from Charing Cross to Hayes that bypass Lewisham arrive at Parks Bridge Jct and attempt to set ARS towards Hither Green as opposed to Catord Bridge.

Brian

Will do John, thank you... May take me another month to complete 24 hours... But I have learnt a lot in the first run through so the next one should be smoother. I can see now why Network Rail took out the crossover at Spa Junction.. (Or as I used to call it, next to the biscuit factory where you could smell the custard creams) because that just becomes chaotic

bri2808 in post 109812 said:

Will do John, thank you... May take me another month to complete 24 hours... But I have learnt a lot in the first run through so the next one should be smoother. I can see now why Network Rail took out the crossover at Spa Junction.. (Or as I used to call it, next to the biscuit factory where you could smell the custard creams) because that just becomes chaotic

Yes the Spa Road crossovers were very problematic. They were there basically for the Greenwich line services to and from Charing Cross. Of course today, Greenwich does not have any Charing Cross services, however they do have Thameslink services. These have to cross all three Cannon Street lines at North Kent East Jn, which when on time is fine, but when they are running late or the peak services into Cannon Street are running late, it is fun trying to thread these across North Kent East Jn, much like we used to do at Spa Road with the Charing Cross services.

bri2808 in post 109793 said:

5) Also, several times in the timetable provided the trains from Charing Cross to Hayes that bypass Lewisham arrive at Parks Bridge Jct and attempt to set ARS towards Hither Green as opposed to Catord Bridge.

Brian

Brian, Make sure you have the latest TT v1.2.02 please it should have automatically updated, If you could make a note as to which are attempting to set a wrong ARS route with TD & UID in this thread - I'll take a look and see if theres anything amiss

Cheers

John

Running up to date TT now and the first train to go wrong at parks bridge jct is 5Y12, Charing Cross to Tonbridge via New Beckenham

Meld in post 109809 said:

bri2808 in post 109793 said:

5) Also, several times in the timetable provided the trains from Charing Cross to Hayes that bypass Lewisham arrive at Parks Bridge Jct and attempt to set ARS towards Hither Green as opposed to Catord Bridge.

Brian

Brian, Make sure you have the latest TT v1.2.02 please it should have automatically updated, If you could make a note as to which are attempting to set a wrong ARS route with TD & UID in this thread - I'll take a look and see if theres anything amiss

Cheers

John

John

Running up to date TT now and the first train to go wrong at parks bridge jct is 5Y12, Charing Cross to Tonbridge via New Beckenham

Unless I am missing something there is no signal map so I cannot say (unless there is a way to tell from clicking on something and in which case excuse my ignorance.

I don't believe I had it set to auto Jon, but will keep an eye on any other issues at that signal

bri2808 in post 109995 said:

Meld in post 109809 said:

bri2808 in post 109793 said:

5) Also, several times in the timetable provided the trains from Charing Cross to Hayes that bypass Lewisham arrive at Parks Bridge Jct and attempt to set ARS towards Hither Green as opposed to Catord Bridge.

Brian

Brian, Make sure you have the latest TT v1.2.02 please it should have automatically updated, If you could make a note as to which are attempting to set a wrong ARS route with TD & UID in this thread - I'll take a look and see if theres anything amiss

Cheers

John

John

Running up to date TT now and the first train to go wrong at parks bridge jct is 5Y12, Charing Cross to Tonbridge via New Beckenham

Which signal are you having problems at? Parks Bridge is a big junction and sending the train on its booked route works fine.

It is indeed Signal 267 and having checked back it is not set to Auto... The ARS sets to continue on the FL towards Hither Green and Grove Park - Anyway, its no biggy only that John said to advise of any issues from that signal earlier in the post

Had 2E29 receive a Wrong Route message from signal 629 DN PORTSMOUTH. F2 reports train at South Bermondsey Jn.

Report on Mantis 21023.

Barry

bri2808 in post 110004 said:

It is indeed Signal 267 and having checked back it is not set to Auto... The ARS sets to continue on the FL towards Hither Green and Grove Park - Anyway, its no biggy only that John said to advise of any issues from that signal earlier in the post

Interposing the train at 267 causes ARS to set route to Ladywell.

BarryM in post 110007 said:

Had 2E29 receive a Wrong Route message from signal 629 DN PORTSMOUTH. F2 reports train at South Bermondsey Jn.

Report on Mantis 21023.

Barry

That sounds like you've mixed up the TDs.

You are right. An ARS decision. Two services into P13 LB.

BarryM in post 110033 said:

You are right. An ARS decision. Two services into P13 LB.

ARS would not have done that as they were two completely independent trains. If you put two trains in the same platform then you need to remember which way around they are.

Unless I am missing something there is no signal map so I cannot say (unless there is a way to tell from clicking on something and in which case excuse my ignorance.

Ok, so next Hayes train to set the wrong route is 2v22 10:06 Charing X to Hayes at signl 267. ARS tries to send the train to Hither Green and Grove Park

And no I don't have the route set to auto

Not sure if this save is already too late or not, but it shows ARS attempting to set a wrong route for 5V62 if you remove the reminder on signal 271.