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| Download Link 16/09/2020 at 20:40 #131573 | |
Adamg2369
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Hello, I'm looking for a link to download South Humberside but can not seem to find one, could anybody help? Log in to reply |
| Download Link 16/09/2020 at 20:43 #131574 | |
Steamer
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The South Humberside simulation is obsolete, and no longer supported or available: https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Article/Details/219
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| Download Link 21/08/2022 at 07:21 #147644 | |
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Neal_is_57
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So, I was interested in D/Ling this Sim as well as Worksop. I read your "EXE Simulations Withdrawn" article, and can't help but wonder why you feel that such availability would be 'deleterious' (so seems the inference) to Simsig because, somehow, they don't '...reflect SimSig accurately..." It should/would be obvious to anyone that a vintage Porsche doesn't reflect the modern Porsche, but people still like to use them . . . In such light, please make them available, even it's from a secondary site. Log in to reply |
| Download Link 21/08/2022 at 10:16 #147647 | |
jc92
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Neal_is_57 in post 147644 said:Of all the brands to use for this analogy, you picked the company that makes one car that's the same every year as the original 😆 "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Download Link 22/08/2022 at 03:31 #147662 | |
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Chromatix
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But the original Porsche was the VW Beetle...
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| Download Link 22/08/2022 at 12:19 #147665 | |
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sunocske
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"It should/would be obvious to anyone that a vintage Porsche doesn't reflect the modern Porsche, but people still like to use them . . ." OK, but you can't buy a vintage Porsche from the Stuttgart factory, as they produce the new ones only. Log in to reply |
| Download Link 23/08/2022 at 20:51 #147678 | |
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Neal_is_57
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Right. So make the older games available off-site. Google Drive, for instance. Or Mega. Or one of a myriad hosting sites external to Simsig but which can only be accessed VIA Simsig. I mean, ain't nobody gonna look at a vintage Sim and be, like, "Oh, the modern Sims are gonna be really crappy!" Cos everybody D/Ling them will be aware that they ARE vintage Sims with their own quirks, foibles & limitations. It's not as if this particular branch of gaming ISN'T niche AF, is it? Only people aware of the vintage Sims will want them . . . . Log in to reply |
| Download Link 24/08/2022 at 11:54 #147680 | |
postal
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Interesting that the SimSig Software License Agreement covers the loader and .sim files but makes no mention of the older .exe files. Simulations are specifically described a .sim files. Does that imply that it would not be breaking any Ts & Cs for anyone with copies of older simulation .exe files to pass copies on to anyone else who asked for them?
“In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 24/08/2022 at 11:55 by postal Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Download Link 24/08/2022 at 13:57 #147681 | |
Peter Bennet
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postal in post 147680 said:Interesting that the SimSig Software License Agreement covers the loader and .sim files but makes no mention of the older .exe files. Simulations are specifically described a .sim files. Does that imply that it would not be breaking any Ts & Cs for anyone with copies of older simulation .exe files to pass copies on to anyone else who asked for them?The T&Cs that apply are those in place at the time of any download. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Download Link 24/08/2022 at 14:36 #147685 | |
Dick
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Peter Bennet in post 147681 said:postal in post 147680 said:????Interesting that the SimSig Software License Agreement covers the loader and .sim files but makes no mention of the older .exe files. Simulations are specifically described a .sim files. Does that imply that it would not be breaking any Ts & Cs for anyone with copies of older simulation .exe files to pass copies on to anyone else who asked for them?The T&Cs that apply are those in place at the time of any download. Log in to reply |
| Download Link 24/08/2022 at 15:28 #147686 | |
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Ray
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I like these so called obsolete sims. I liked South Humberside in particular once you could work out all the badly labelled entry and exit points. Lots of traffic to handle which presented a challenge. I would rather have a sim which presented many puzzles, than a modern sim which does nothing more than roll identical services through it with no joining, splitting or run rounds.
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| Download Link 24/08/2022 at 16:16 #147687 | |
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Steamer
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Ray in post 147686 said:I like these so called obsolete sims. I liked South Humberside in particular once you could work out all the badly labelled entry and exit points. Lots of traffic to handle which presented a challenge. I would rather have a sim which presented many puzzles, than a modern sim which does nothing more than roll identical services through it with no joining, splitting or run rounds.Not sure what you mean here? The traffic pattern depends on the timetable, not the simulation. The 1979 TT for Carlisle is very, very different to a modern TT for that simulation. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Download Link 24/08/2022 at 18:21 #147691 | |
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bill_gensheet
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Steamer in post 147687 said:
Some of the more recent sims (in terms of 'data date'  just do not have the facilities to run 1980's and prior timetables in any sensible way. The recent rationalisations have done away with such.I can also understand the reluctance to provide eras. Log in to reply |
| Download Link 24/08/2022 at 20:04 #147694 | |
Red For Danger
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Having the .EXE sim on its own will not be enough to run the withdrawn sims. From memory, you also need to have the original system files from the time as well. Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think the current loader contains all the files needed…? One reason why I’m making do with my vintage PC and not replacing it until I absolutely have to so I can continue having the pleasure of operating these older Sims. In the meantime, are there any plans to update this sim and release on the Loader…? Log in to reply |
| Download Link 24/08/2022 at 20:33 #147699 | |
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bill_gensheet
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Red For Danger in post 147694 said:There is no problem transferring the older .exe sims onto a new PC, if you have the files working now it is fine. Put the whole lot, .exe, .fon and .bpl in a folder (mine is SimSig_exe) and away you go. Data folders for each sim below that with the .wtt / .wtr / .jpg / .ssg Bill Log in to reply |
| Download Link 09/09/2022 at 17:52 #147906 | |
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bazzmund
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Despite the limitations of it I find it is still one of the most engrossing Sims out there - as such I have endevoured to make sure that my copy is not brickable by the SimSig loader. But considering how the old South Humberside was a freeware program and to all intents and purposes is now effectively abandonware I don't see why it couldn't be hosted as a zip file somewhere.
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| Download Link 09/09/2022 at 21:32 #147909 | |
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Sacro
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bazzmund in post 147906 said:Despite the limitations of it I find it is still one of the most engrossing Sims out there - as such I have endevoured to make sure that my copy is not brickable by the SimSig loader. But considering how the old South Humberside was a freeware program and to all intents and purposes is now effectively abandonware I don't see why it couldn't be hosted as a zip file somewhere.It isn't "effectively abandonware", abandonware is just a term used to justify copyright infringement. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: postal |
| Download Link 10/09/2022 at 10:52 #147910 | |
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bill_gensheet
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The definition of 'abandonware' is far tighter than many would like to think it is. Genuine 'abandonware' (orphan work) cannot be copyright theft - as there is no copyright to defend. No sims meet the legal definitons of 'abandonware' (orphan works): There is clearly an extant copyright holder, both human and corporate. (Geoff). There is clearly support (you are reading it). There is a contact point (you are reading it). It was not written more than 75 years ago It was never 'freeware' in the true sense. It was zero-cost payware (the license with conditions accepted as a condition of download). Bill Log in to reply |
| Download Link 10/09/2022 at 11:13 #147911 | |
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bazzmund
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bill_gensheet in post 147910 said:The definition of 'abandonware' is far tighter than many would like to think it is. Genuine 'abandonware' (orphan work) cannot be copyright theft - as there is no copyright to defend.If there is support then could we perhaps have a re-issue as a legacy sim along with other older sims? Support would imply that the simulation is actively hosted and supported for use by users (rather than vaguely threatening legalise/snippy comments). In fact, to quote the article linked above to it's fullest extent: As part of Loader V5 we took the decision to withdraw the old EXE simulations. We do not feel they reflect SimSig accurately as a product set because they are so old (10 years or more in some cases). Some of those simulations are being re-developed for Loader use, such as Edinburgh, so be on the look out for such releases. Generally, support has also ended for those simulations. We realise this may be disappointing to some. So, is there support, or isn't there? Last edited: 10/09/2022 at 11:15 by bazzmund Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Download Link 10/09/2022 at 12:44 #147912 | |
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bill_gensheet
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For the purposes of that one of the 'abandonware' tests, the .exe sims fail. An *existing* license holder can continue to run the software on modern OS and hardware, and instructions on how to do so are provided. Equally not supporting ongoing sales or distribution of obsoleted copyright product does not make it 'abandonware'. Can you buy a new copy of Windows 95 from Microsoft ? No. Does that alone make it abandonware - also no. Of course due to the Win95 license conditions, one existing Win95 license can be transferred (not copied) to one new 'owner'. That is *not* the case with the SimSig license for .exe sims. Log in to reply |
| Download Link 10/09/2022 at 13:31 #147918 | |
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bazzmund
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Not disputing (or indeed interested in) the definition of abandonware. I'm asking for clarification on the so far contradictory and vaguely explained definition you have in "support". Is it supported or not?
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| Download Link 10/09/2022 at 13:52 #147919 | |
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Peter Bennet
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bazzmund in post 147918 said:Not disputing (or indeed interested in) the definition of abandonware. I'm asking for clarification on the so far contradictory and vaguely explained definition you have in "support". Is it supported or not?It's supported in that there is a manual still on the site. It's not supported in the sense that if you find a bug it'll not be fixed. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |