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| Route to flyash line via Up Fast 30/06/2021 at 05:00 #140271 | |
Bonan
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Pardon me if this has been reported before, but running a 1985 timetable I'm unable to route trains arriving from the north or the yard to the flyash circle via the Up Fast line to Fletton. The drivers are complaining of a wrong route and there doesen't seem to be any way around it. Slightly annoying if platforms 4 and 5 are both occupied.
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| Route to flyash line via Up Fast 30/06/2021 at 06:50 #140272 | |
clive
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I can't see anything wrong in the data at a quick glance. Do you have a saved game, preferably from just before the train stops at the signal to phone?
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| Route to flyash line via Up Fast 30/06/2021 at 08:51 #140273 | |
postal
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clive in post 140272 said:I can't see anything wrong in the data at a quick glance. Do you have a saved game, preferably from just before the train stops at the signal to phone?Single train TT for 6H52 extracted from the May - September 1985 TT uploaded along with saved game from 11:52. Train is booked Up Yard > P4 > Peterborough S DS > Fletton Flyash. Save has train approaching S458 then signalled along UF to Fletton. Driver rings in querying the route when the train reaches S458. If the response is to bypass Peterborough then keep to TT, telephone immediately rings again with another wrong route call regarding Peterborough S DS. If the response is again to bypass then keep to TT, there is a third wrong route call regarding Fletton flyash. The only way to resolve seems to be to abandon TT completely then reinstate once the train is on the UF. Technical data: OS: Windows 10 Home 64bit Loader: SimSig Loader version 5.15; Sim: Simulation Peterborough; data version 4.1 build 4 License: Locked license in use TT: 6H52 v0.0.0 TT filename: 6H52.wtt TT merged: False Sim upgrade: False Loader upgrade: False Save reloaded: False NORMAL active at start NSTORM choice 1 NSLOWS_ONLY choice 2 NNEUS_CLOSE choice 3 NRAND_CLOSE choice 4 NMULTI_CLOSE choice 5 NPROBLEMS active at start NPROB_NONE active at start NERA active at start NOLD active at start NBIGGOPEN active at start NSANDYOPEN active at start NSTNEOTSOPEN active at start NPBOOPEN active at start NNEWENGOPEN active at start NNEWENGUSOPEN active at start NHELPSTONOPEN active at start NBYTHAMOPEN active at start NLXRU choice 1 NLXRUR active at start NENETEL active at start NENETELY active at start NARS active at start NARSY active at start Post has attachments. Log in to view them. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 30/06/2021 at 08:51 by postal Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Route to flyash line via Up Fast 30/06/2021 at 09:43 #140274 | |
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clive
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Ah, I wasn't looking as far back as 458, just the signals at Fletton. I will investigate.
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| Route to flyash line via Up Fast 30/06/2021 at 11:21 #140276 | |
Meld
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I always thought that the Flyash workings had to be routed between Peterboro and Fletton via the Down Slow to avoid blocking higher speed services on the main lines. The schedule Postal attached seems to back this up. Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Log in to reply |
| Route to flyash line via Up Fast 30/06/2021 at 12:28 #140277 | |
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postal
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Meld in post 140276 said:I always thought that the Flyash workings had to be routed between Peterboro and Fletton via the Down Slow to avoid blocking higher speed services on the main lines.Presumably that would have been the norm (maybe in SBSI). Would the routing along the UF actually have been forbidden no matter what the operational circumstances? Seems a bit restrictive. However, for the purposes of this discussion, trains should be held until there is a route to the South Down Slow. That would be at the Up Yard starter or on the Up Stamford - signal 470, Up Slow - signal 466 or even Up Fast - signal 468 if traffic allowed. Regulating decision for the bobby where to hold it. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 30/06/2021 at 12:33 by postal Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Route to flyash line via Up Fast 30/06/2021 at 13:08 #140278 | |
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clive
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The route validation data in the sim only allows trains to use the Down Slow to reach Fletton. But I don't recall if that was a deliberate decision or just that I'd not put in the conditional logic for when the crossover is there. Nothing in the manual either. Needs thought.
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| Route to flyash line via Up Fast 01/07/2021 at 09:16 #140284 | |
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clive
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clive in post 140278 said:The route validation data in the sim only allows trains to use the Down Slow to reach Fletton. But I don't recall if that was a deliberate decision or just that I'd not put in the conditional logic for when the crossover is there. Nothing in the manual either. Needs thought.Forget that comment; I had misread the sim data. If you want the train to take the Up lines, you need to explicitly put Fletton into the timetable between Peterborough and Fletton Flyash. Otherwise the sim will automatically insert Peterborough S DS into the train's schedule. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: 9pN1SEAp, postal |
| Route to flyash line via Up Fast 01/07/2021 at 20:29 #140294 | |
Soton_Speed
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postal in post 140277 said:Presumably that would have been the norm (maybe in SBSI). Would the routing along the UF actually have been forbidden no matter what the operational circumstances? Seems a bit restrictive.Photographic evidence here and here seems to indicate that the use of the Up Fast and Up Slow was not totally out of the question. This routing appears to make more sense for trains entering from Peterborough Yard/Spalding vice trains from Ketton being routed via P4/5 and the South DS. P.S. If train is tt'd via Fletton (as per manual), the driver refuses a route via P4/5 & the South DS from P'boro Yard (Sig 458). In Zone 6, no one can hear you scream... Log in to reply The following user said thank you: postal |
| Route to flyash line via Up Fast 01/07/2021 at 20:57 #140295 | |
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postal
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clive in post 140284 said:If you want the train to take the Up lines, you need to explicitly put Fletton into the timetable between Peterborough and Fletton Flyash. Otherwise the sim will automatically insert Peterborough S DS into the train's schedule.In view of the comment from Soton_Speed that wrong route is called if the train is in the converse situation where it is booked along the Up but then signalled through P4/5, this looks like a confusing situation for anyone who is not up to speed with this discussion. Can anything be done in the data to make either of the two routes valid no matter what is shown in the TT (or would that break something else)? “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |