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| 1990 Trans Pennine Express Services 08/09/2018 at 23:32 #112006 | |
ajax103
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I've finally got my Summer 1990 GBTT and I'm trying to work out the answers to three questions if anyone can help at all? 1. What's the difference between Sprinter and Express services? 2. Did BR count the TPE services as being part of the InterCity sector or the Regional Railways sector? 3. Was there any booked loco hauled TPE services at all, I know if 58050's timetable for York it's 50/50 if a Loco Hauled set or a Sprinter turns up but just wondered if there was anything actually diagrammed and not as and when required? Last edited: 08/09/2018 at 23:33 by ajax103 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| 1990 Trans Pennine Express Services 08/09/2018 at 23:40 #112007 | |
jc92
3690 posts |
In 1990 there would still be regular 47/4 worked services which were phased out throughout 91 and 92 by 158s and 156s. By 1990 only the Liverpool Newcastle/scarbro had loco haulage. That's not to say units didn't fail and weren't available. These services were run by regional railways not intercity, the same as the 31/4s working Liverpool to Blackpool and Preston and the Manchester club trains. Similar to NSE not intercity operating the Waterloo-Exeter services. Sprinters are 156s and sprinter express was a brief brand name for 158s which are marginally faster and at the time had better interiors and mod cons. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: ajax103 |
| 1990 Trans Pennine Express Services 08/09/2018 at 23:43 #112008 | |
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jc92
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In 1990 there would still be regular 47/4 worked services which were phased out throughout 91 and 92 by 158s and 156s. By 1990 only the Liverpool Newcastle/scarbro had loco haulage. That's not to say units didn't fail and weren't available. The WTT still showed them as either DMU (s) DMU (e) or D245 so workings were still diagrammed (except failures). I believe pascal's decisions for those trains represent DMU replacement sets where 158s are unavailable or faulty. These services were run by regional railways not intercity, the same as the 31/4s working Liverpool to Blackpool and Preston and the Manchester club trains. Similar to NSE not intercity operating the Waterloo-Exeter services. Sprinters are 156s and sprinter express was a brief brand name for 158s which are marginally faster and at the time had better interiors and mod cons. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: ajax103 |
| 1990 Trans Pennine Express Services 09/09/2018 at 10:10 #112015 | |
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jc92
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https://travelandmixpix.smugmug.com/Rail/Indi/Class-158-Express-Sprinter/i-52VRC6Z Photo of a 158 with its express branding at York. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| 1990 Trans Pennine Express Services 09/09/2018 at 10:16 #112016 | |
58050
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ajax103 in post 112006 said:I've finally got my Summer 1990 GBTT and I'm trying to work out the answers to three questions if anyone can help at all? The differnce between Sprinter & Express could mean one of two things here. Firstly the second generation diesel units which had bogies as opposed to Cl.142-Cl.144 were termed 'SPRINTER' by BR due to their higher acceleration rate, however this only covers classes 150, 153,155 & 156. In fact the Cl.156 units were termed as Super Sprinters & they all had a maxim,um speed of 75mph. But when the Cl.158 were built & introduced they were called Express Sprinters & had a maximum speed of 90mph irrespective of whether they were 2 or 3 car sets. Secondly during sectorisation in 1988 the Newcastle - Liverpool Lime Street - Newcastle services had been loco hauled for many years(more than 10). Provincial which later became Regional Railways created a sub sector called Trans-Pennine Express. This involved a batch of Cl.47/4 locos from Crewe Diesel w & some being painted in the new Trans-Pennine livery 47475 AFAIK being the only one & also rakes of Mk.2a/b/c coaches were also painted into Trans-Pennine livery along with the Trans-Pennine branding on the coaches in place of where Inter-City branding was once located on their bodysides. This last until 19941 when the Cl.158 came on stream & because of the reduced costs involved the loco hauled services finally ended. In my York 1991 timetable all of the Trans-Pennine service could either be loco hauled train(Cl.47/4+5 or 6 coaches or a 2or 3 car Cl.158). During this tim,e due to technical difficulties loco hauled trains had to make a come back due to technical issues with the new Cl.158 units. But by the time the summer 1992 timetable came into play everything by then was formed by Cl.158 Express Sprinters. The only other difference you could say back then was that a Sprinter denoted a unit whereas an Express could mean a loco hauled train of some description whether it was hauled by a diesel or eletric loco makes no difference. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: BarryM |