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| Stockport FAQ 18/02/2019 at 08:44 #115830 | |
9pN1SEAp
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I had pre-selected slot acceptance from Northenden for a late-running express, but as it entered the sim the remote box still requested the slot. Is this correct? Thanks Jamie Jamie S (JAMS) Log in to reply |
| Stockport FAQ 18/02/2019 at 09:25 #115831 | |
postal
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9pN1SEAp in post 115830 said:I had pre-selected slot acceptance from Northenden for a late-running express, but as it entered the sim the remote box still requested the slot. Is this correct?Same sort of thing happens on CScot at Dunblane for trains from Greenloaning. Pre-selected slot is also cancelled and you have to go back and reset the slot. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Stockport FAQ 18/02/2019 at 09:45 #115832 | |
Sacro
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postal in post 115831 said:9pN1SEAp in post 115830 said:Sounds like bugs on both to me.I had pre-selected slot acceptance from Northenden for a late-running express, but as it entered the sim the remote box still requested the slot. Is this correct?Same sort of thing happens on CScot at Dunblane for trains from Greenloaning. Pre-selected slot is also cancelled and you have to go back and reset the slot. Log in to reply |
| Stockport FAQ 18/02/2019 at 10:50 #115833 | |
pedroathome
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Sacro in post 115832 said:postal in post 115831 said:I'd agree that its a bug, and is fixed for the next update9pN1SEAp in post 115830 said:Sounds like bugs on both to me.I had pre-selected slot acceptance from Northenden for a late-running express, but as it entered the sim the remote box still requested the slot. Is this correct?Same sort of thing happens on CScot at Dunblane for trains from Greenloaning. Pre-selected slot is also cancelled and you have to go back and reset the slot. Log in to reply |
| Stockport FAQ 19/02/2019 at 21:17 #115875 | |
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whatlep
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Possibly a dumb question, but if changing locos at Heaton Norris Jn, how do you get the locos off/onto a train? I assume the intent is to have the train come to a stand on the Up Goods and do the deed there, but can't figure out how to get the move made. Location and/or programmed moves missing?
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| Stockport FAQ 19/02/2019 at 21:28 #115876 | |
Steamer
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Looks like the paths are missing between Heaton Norris Jn and the EHS/ERS. Mantis 23599.
"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 19/02/2019 at 21:29 by Steamer Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: whatlep |
| Stockport FAQ 20/02/2019 at 16:51 #115883 | |
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whatlep
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Another possible missed path or two. It seems to be impossible to get ST-1 69/77/78 to clear for loco moves back onto trains in both platforms 1 & 2 (i.e. diesel to electric loco changes) if those platforms are already occupied. Message "Subroute locked in opposite direction" comes up. Locos must be cautioned past the signal at danger. The reverse facility for electric to diesel changes on platforms 3/4 works fine. Log in to reply |
| Stockport FAQ 20/02/2019 at 17:39 #115884 | |
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Steamer
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whatlep in post 115883 said:Another possible missed path or two. It seems to be impossible to get ST-1 69/77/78 to clear for loco moves back onto trains in both platforms 1 & 2 (i.e. diesel to electric loco changes) if those platforms are already occupied. Message "Subroute locked in opposite direction" comes up. Locos must be cautioned past the signal at danger.Not a pathing issue (that's related to timetabling), but an issue non the less. Mantis 23605. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply The following user said thank you: whatlep |
| Stockport FAQ Yesterday at 16:04 #160424 | |
KCRCRailway
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A question from someone who never got near Stockport IRL. How do 5 boxes work out? There isn't much "black hole" if any between boxes. Would that means either IRL all 5 are actually next to each other so they can communicate, or they constantly use phone to inform next boxes who will then contact the next-next boxes? Ask as I realize you will most certainly delay some stuff when they are not planned to stop in station, unless all 5 boxes each open their part of through route. Log in to reply |
| Stockport FAQ Yesterday at 17:02 #160425 | |
jc92
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Normal working is via block bells, but they also have telephones where required, and nowadays a train describer that shows what's about in the general area. Incidentally Stockport still retains an extensive list of routing codes for trains eg electric Class 2 for Hazel grove, Diesel Class 2 for Hazel Grove, Diesel class 2 for Sheffield, Class 2 for Northenden, Class 2 for Crewe, Class 2 for Macclesfield just to break down the southbound class 2s! these allow the signallers to know exactly what they're being offered. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply The following users said thank you: KCRCRailway, TUT |
| Stockport FAQ Yesterday at 17:38 #160426 | |
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KCRCRailway
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How would the dude at the station's box(es) arrange which line they send it out? Is it just blindly send to whatever line was open in time of complete melt down, or they will keep contact with next boxes to know if the next boxes require a specific line? *Not really an issue IRL as I imagine no sane people run a full TT when Manchester Picadilly---Longsight lost a pair of line, but will be funny to see how the clog at Manchester got transmit all the way to Stockport box* Log in to reply |
| Stockport FAQ Yesterday at 20:35 #160428 | |
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TUT
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I'm not too sure exactly what you're asking or how much detail you want. You also might be better off asking a new question on the 'The real thing' board https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/BoardView/23 There are photographs of the Stockport boxes on the web, for example: https://photos.signalling.org/index?/category/523-manchester_area_including_stockport https://www.flickr.com/photos/llangollen_signalman/albums/72157626540723260/ And there are videos as well. There are at least a couple on YouTube but if that's no good to you, FARSAP does have one of Edgeley No 2 https://www.s-r-s.org.uk/videoPages/Stockport.php I assume you know that in general each line or pair of lines will have its own block instrument with its own (relatively) distinct bell. You get to know the different tones of the different bells so you know which line a train is being offered on. You can see at Edgeley No 2 they've even incorporated a little visual indicator showing you which bell just rang. There are some unique block instruments in that part of the world. Elsewhere, as a more rudimentary alternative, people have been known to leave objects balanced in such a way that they'll be knocked off when the bell rings to help them tell which bell rang! To be honest BR's penguin block instruments do have quite similar sounding bells. The Western's bells are easier to distinguish. I believe Scotland was fond of using a bell for one box and a gong for another. So yes you know which line you're being offered a train on. I have never worked in Stockport, but as jc92 quite rightly says, there's a very extensive list of routing bell codes so you know exactly what you're being offered and where it's going. You have TRUST so you can keep an eye on what's about and also the train describer will show you where everything is so that part of the job is pretty well taken care of. All that being the case an experienced signaller should generally have a good idea what their colleagues in rear are doing and what their colleagues in advance are expecting them to do. You have good visibility of what's going on and with experience you'll know what to look for and what to expect. It's like anything. For anything else there is of course always the phone and it is of course customary to pass messages down the line, although if a message is coming from Control you might be able to leave them to let your colleagues know. It's like anything. A little bit of experience will soon allow you to judge what your colleague needs to be told and what they can work out for themselves, or what can be left to the bells etc. Just today it so happened that my colleague was busy dealing with an incident. I'd accepted an express passenger train from him and had subsequently found out that it was delayed. I was wondering if he might prefer to send me the ordinary passenger train coming from the other line at his junction first. However knowing he was busy I did not trouble him with a phone call. Instead when he sent me cancelling for the express passenger and then simply offered me the ordinary passenger obviously I knew what was happening, there was no need for a discussion. I did decide to tell my colleague at the next box however that he would be getting the ordinary passenger train first to help with his regulating. Sometimes a discussion is necessary, sometimes a discussion is helpful although not necessary, and sometimes it is completely unnecessary. If you were offered a train on one line but you wanted it on another I'm not sure how they would do things at Stockport specifically. However at Shrub Hill if Tunnel Junction offers a freight train on the Main (through the station) and Shrub Hill wants it on the Up Through Siding (avoiding the station) it is customary to simply accept it on the Through Siding bell and then Tunnel has their answer. Perhaps the signallers at Stockport would do something similar. When Shrub Hill offers trains to Tunnel Junction, however, it is customary to give Tunnel Junction a heads-up on the telephone if you're switching the line you're going to send them the train on. There isn't any need for this. You could offer a train booked to run over the Up Main on the Down Main bell and then Tunnel would know which line it was coming on. But the junction at Tunnel is in the clearing point and so they will likely have already set up ready for the train to come on the line they think you're going to offer it on. They will then need to reset the junction before they can accept the train on the other line, so you might as well save everyone a headache and tell them about it first. I think I know what you're thinking of when you talk about delaying trains which don't stop. You might possibly be aware that in the normal method of signalling you offer a train on to the next box when (and only when) you receive train entering section from the previous box. Where sections are short, it is typical (I can only assume it must be the case around Stockport, but I don't work those boxes) that the box instructions will authorise is line clear to be sent forward immediately upon receipt. So you wouldn't wait for train entering section to offer on the train, you would instead immediately offer it on as soon as you had accepted it. Technically this is only to be done where authorised in the signal box special instructions but 'considerate' signalling is not uncommon whereby bells will be grouped so that you take the opportunity to do as much as you can in one go. I have heard tell of a manager being rather unimpressed at witnessing a train being offered and accepted one Sunday despite the fact that it was over an hour's running time away at that point. But it was the next one, so why not. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: KCRCRailway |