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| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 28/04/2019 at 11:48 #117893 | |
hotwellian
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Just a query about the routes to and from Wakefield kirkgate. On both the timetables that i have run most passenger trains are routed to and from the station on the slow line, rather than the first. Wondered why this is so.
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| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 28/04/2019 at 12:31 #117895 | |
Edgemaster
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There's a 20mph speed limit on the turnout from the Down L&Y to the Down L&Y Fast. The through route is along the Slow line, and has a 40mph limit over the junction. Both lines have the same linespeed of 60mph beyond the junction. In the Up direction, the Fast line is the through route, and has a line speed of 60mph all the way, with the Slow line being 20mph at the Horbury Jn crossover. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: hotwellian |
| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 28/04/2019 at 15:23 #117896 | |
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hotwellian
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Thanks, I understand.
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| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 28/04/2019 at 21:48 #117902 | |
Soton_Speed
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Edgemaster in post 117895 said:In the Up direction, the Fast line is the through route, and has a line speed of 60mph all the way, with the Slow line being 20mph at the Horbury Jn crossover.Apologies for missing the obvious but, is the reason that an Up train routed Slow Line @ Wakefield West Jn then to Barnsley @ Horbury Jn gets all Greens (verses Fast @ Wakefield West) because the driver should be expecting a 20mph psr over Horbury Jn - as seen in this video? Is either routing preferred in real life for trains towards Barnsley? In Zone 6, no one can hear you scream... Log in to reply |
| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 06/12/2020 at 21:16 #134418 | |
danners430
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Apologies for reviving an old thread, but I've seen a few new timetables released with the incorrect line routings, and there still seems to be some confusion. The following is the information I got from one of the resident Kirkgate signallers regarding a long-standing local arrangement between Horbury Jn and Kirkgate: Trains to Barnsley - routed onto the Up Slow at Kirkgate, and across the Fast at Horbury. Trains from Barnsley - routed onto the Down Fast at Horbury. This is because the turnout speed for Barnsley is 20mph anyway, regardless where you're coming from or going to on the Kirkgate lines, so you might as well put them on the slower lines on approach / after the junction. Trains to Healey Mills - routed onto the Up Fast at Kirkgate, and straight on with no speed restriction at Horbury. Trains from Healey Mills - routed onto the Down Slow at Horbury, straight on with no speed restriction.  
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| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 06/12/2020 at 21:44 #134420 | |
Steamer
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danners430 in post 134418 said:Apologies for reviving an old thread, but I've seen a few new timetables released with the incorrect line routings, and there still seems to be some confusion.There haven't been any timetables for West Yorkshire made available so far, other than the two that are supplied with the simulation? I can add a note to the manual to reflect the information you've given, however generally line codes are transcribed directly from the relevant source material. It isn't uncommon for the path/platform/line codes in the WTT to bear little resemblance to what happens on the ground. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 06/12/2020 at 21:44 by Steamer Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: danners430 |
| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 06/12/2020 at 22:19 #134421 | |
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danners430
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It may be an upcoming timetable I'm referring to then :-)
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| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 07/12/2020 at 00:12 #134422 | |
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phil1044
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I have a Oct 2018 timetable for West Yorkshire finished and on test at the moment, it will chain with my other three Leeds area Timetables when I'm happy with it. Its great fun doing a 4 chain run solo ! Phil.... Log in to reply |
| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 07/12/2020 at 13:27 #134426 | |
andyallen4014
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I think the key question is whether the timetables have the routings incorrect or whether they are in fact correct as per the official timetables and it is local signalling arrangements that differ from that, in which case the timetables would be technically 'correct'.
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| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 07/12/2020 at 14:12 #134427 | |
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phil1044
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andyallen4014 in post 134426 said:I think the key question is whether the timetables have the routings incorrect or whether they are in fact correct as per the official timetables and it is local signalling arrangements that differ from that, in which case the timetables would be technically 'correct'.Just to add to Andy's comment, the routings in my TTs are as per the WTTs. If the signaller wishes to re-route trains as per local practices then thats fine. In reality the official routings is what they are given, then they can amend accordingly if need be. Log in to reply |
| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 08/12/2020 at 09:10 #134433 | |
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kbarber
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phil1044 in post 134427 said:andyallen4014 in post 134426 said:It always used to be that the preamble to the timetable explicitly authorised signalmen to use alternative lines where they were available. No justification needed. So long as you didn't hammer anything.I think the key question is whether the timetables have the routings incorrect or whether they are in fact correct as per the official timetables and it is local signalling arrangements that differ from that, in which case the timetables would be technically 'correct'.Just to add to Andy's comment, the routings in my TTs are as per the WTTs. If the signaller wishes to re-route trains as per local practices then thats fine. In reality the official routings is what they are given, then they can amend accordingly if need be. Log in to reply |
| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 08/12/2020 at 11:12 #134436 | |
jc92
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kbarber in post 134433 said:phil1044 in post 134427 said:I recall an ancient chain game circa 2011 when we had trent and sheffield chained and the Royal train got sent goods line between Clay Cross and Chesterfield due to a TCF on the mains. Fun times.andyallen4014 in post 134426 said:It always used to be that the preamble to the timetable explicitly authorised signalmen to use alternative lines where they were available. No justification needed. So long as you didn't hammer anything.I think the key question is whether the timetables have the routings incorrect or whether they are in fact correct as per the official timetables and it is local signalling arrangements that differ from that, in which case the timetables would be technically 'correct'.Just to add to Andy's comment, the routings in my TTs are as per the WTTs. If the signaller wishes to re-route trains as per local practices then thats fine. In reality the official routings is what they are given, then they can amend accordingly if need be. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 09/12/2020 at 08:59 #134493 | |
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kbarber
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jc92 in post 134436 said:kbarber in post 134433 said:Why not. A Royal could go where nothing else would go. And Gerry Fiennes' story about the distant that fell off the post is well known (even if the reality was a bit more elaborate still...)phil1044 in post 134427 said:I recall an ancient chain game circa 2011 when we had trent and sheffield chained and the Royal train got sent goods line between Clay Cross and Chesterfield due to a TCF on the mains. Fun times.andyallen4014 in post 134426 said:It always used to be that the preamble to the timetable explicitly authorised signalmen to use alternative lines where they were available. No justification needed. So long as you didn't hammer anything.I think the key question is whether the timetables have the routings incorrect or whether they are in fact correct as per the official timetables and it is local signalling arrangements that differ from that, in which case the timetables would be technically 'correct'.Just to add to Andy's comment, the routings in my TTs are as per the WTTs. If the signaller wishes to re-route trains as per local practices then thats fine. In reality the official routings is what they are given, then they can amend accordingly if need be. Log in to reply |
| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 03/01/2021 at 21:58 #135941 | |
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Albert
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Edgemaster in post 117895 said:There's a 20mph speed limit on the turnout from the Down L&Y to the Down L&Y Fast.This speed limit doesn't appear to be replicated in the sim - bug? Just had a freight go over these points from the L&Y to the Down Fast at 40mph in-sim. AJP in games Log in to reply |
| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 04/01/2021 at 15:16 #135958 | |
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Jan
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Yup, noticed the same thing a while ago (issue #27875).
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| Query on routing at Wakefield Kirkgate 06/01/2021 at 15:46 #136045 | |
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Dionysusnu
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What's the speed limit on points 2507, the up slow to up fast at Wakefield West Jn? For nonstop trains from UP L&Y to healey mills, which of the two crossovers is preferred?
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