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| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 09/05/2019 at 20:46 #118179 | |
headshot119
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Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 This thread is for discussion of the Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 timetable. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Last edited: 23/04/2021 at 08:59 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 18/05/2019 at 23:49 #118371 | |
Phil-jmw
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Running the 2015 TT starting at 0000hrs, 2S01 0606 Hunts Cross - Southport enters at Liverpool South Parkway while its forming unit 5S01 is still at Moorfields in a queue behind late-running weedkiller 3S07.
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| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 19/05/2019 at 14:40 #118377 | |
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Phil-jmw I've noted that down to discuss with the timetable writer. We did take a conscious decision not to rule up services towards Hunts Cross given how the service recovery works in real life during disruption. Though this ECS may be a bit of an edge case to that. Hope you're enjoying the sim so far. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Last edited: 23/04/2021 at 08:59 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Phil-jmw |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 19/05/2019 at 14:58 #118378 | |
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headshot119 in post 118377 said:Phil-jmw I've noted that down to discuss with the timetable writer. We did take a conscious decision not to rule up services towards Hunts Cross given how the service recovery works in real life during disruption. Though this ECS may be a bit of an edge case to that.John did apply a rule to 5C01/2C01 to stop premature re-entry after it was raised in testing. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 23/04/2021 at 08:59 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 19/05/2019 at 15:01 #118379 | |
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postal in post 118378 said:headshot119 in post 118377 said:From memory I think 5C01 terminates at Hooton, and comes back as 2C01, rather than going all the way (to Chester) so to speak. But yes it did get a rule applied.Phil-jmw I've noted that down to discuss with the timetable writer. We did take a conscious decision not to rule up services towards Hunts Cross given how the service recovery works in real life during disruption. Though this ECS may be a bit of an edge case to that.John did apply a rule to 5C01/2C01 to stop premature re-entry after it was raised in testing. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Last edited: 23/04/2021 at 09:00 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 19/05/2019 at 15:22 #118380 | |
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headshot119 in post 118379 said:From memory I think 5C01 terminates at Hooton, and comes back as 2C01, rather than going all the way (to Chester) so to speak.Correct. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 23/04/2021 at 09:00 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 19/05/2019 at 16:53 #118382 | |
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Phil-jmw
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headshot119 in post 118377 said:Phil-jmw I've noted that down to discuss with the timetable writer. We did take a conscious decision not to rule up services towards Hunts Cross given how the service recovery works in real life during disruption. Though this ECS may be a bit of an edge case to that.It's a cracking sim Karl, of an area I used to know very well when it was mechanically signalled, especially the Northern lines, and the Southport line in particular. I'm currently up to 0750 with a few delays added and it's an 'interesting' morning peak, meaning I've had to step one or two services and units up. You mentioned service recovery, as a matter of interest if things start to go awry in the peaks in real life do they implement service recovery then or ride it out until after the peaks to avoid overcrowding? You really do have to watch those weedkiller/sandite schedules or you'll be in trouble. Thanks again for a cracking sim. Regards, Phil. Last edited: 23/04/2021 at 09:00 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 19/05/2019 at 17:53 #118383 | |
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Jan
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headshot119 in post 118377 said:Phil-jmwWe did take a conscious decision not to rule up services towards Hunts Cross given how the service recovery works in real life during disruption. Out of interest, how does it work? Terminating early at South Parkway? Two million people attempt to use Birmingham's magnificent rail network every year, with just over a million of them managing to get further than Smethwick. Last edited: 23/04/2021 at 09:00 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 19/05/2019 at 18:01 #118384 | |
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headshot119
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I'll try and write up something more comprehensive. But generally speaking running fast to Hunts Cross from Liverpool Central or vice versa is popular. In significant disruption turn backs at Liverpool South Parkway aren't uncommon. Stepping up of services aren't uncommon either. With a 15 minute headway, if the first train is 10 - 14 down, people aren't that inconvenienced by waiting for the one behind. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Last edited: 23/04/2021 at 09:00 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 27/05/2019 at 20:53 #118491 | |
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DavidSplett
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headshot119 in post 118377 said:Phil-jmw I've noted that down to discuss with the timetable writer. We did take a conscious decision not to rule up services towards Hunts Cross given how the service recovery works in real life during disruption. Though this ECS may be a bit of an edge case to that.Been playing Sandhills for the first time today, definitely one of the best sims. Personally I think there should be rules for Hunts Cross, Chester and Ellesmere Port services. I had a few late runners coming southwards to Hunts Cross, and it was frustrating to find the return services appeared on time even when nothing had gone south to make them up. I also reversed one service via the siding at Liverpool Central, and then ended up with a duplicate entering from Liverpool South Parkway which I had to remove. My understanding is there aren’t crew depots at these three outposts, so in reality I’d be surprised if there’s scope for doing much apart from non-stopping (which can be done via F2 presumably) or turning short. I know late runners sometimes get turned at South Parkway or Hooton, so a simple rule just disallowing the next service entering until the outgoing has left the area would suffice. Last edited: 23/04/2021 at 09:00 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 28/05/2019 at 01:41 #118496 | |
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headshot119
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DavidSplett glad you are enjoying the sim. Your idea of a simple rule without a time reference isn't one we'd added into the discussion, but we will now. You're also correct about the crew depots, the main base for the Wirral is in Birkenhead. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Last edited: 23/04/2021 at 09:01 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 28/05/2019 at 09:24 #118498 | |
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headshot119 in post 118496 said:DavidSplett glad you are enjoying the sim.Even for a turnback just off sim you would need time for the distance off sim and a change of ends so it would need a small time difference in the rule (say 5 min or something like that). “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 23/04/2021 at 09:01 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 28/05/2019 at 09:50 #118500 | |
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DavidSplett
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postal in post 118498 said:headshot119 in post 118496 said:That would probably be ideal. That’s roughly what I’ve done on the KX timetables with the services which terminate at Royston and it works well in practice.DavidSplett glad you are enjoying the sim.Even for a turnback just off sim you would need time for the distance off sim and a change of ends so it would need a small time difference in the rule (say 5 min or something like that). I’d say a general rule of thumb should be that anything where it will likely be the same driver bringing the train back should have a rule. On the Sandhills sim it would effectively make all trains captive, which I think would be more realistic. On a related note, I’ve added some rules via F4 for my own use, however at the Hunts Cross end I can’t get them to have any effect. With unique IDs, what format should I be using in the rules box? I’ve tried just the reporting number and also “reporting number / unique ID”, however in neither case does it work. Last edited: 23/04/2021 at 09:01 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 29/05/2019 at 19:59 #118535 | |
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Jan
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Rules referencing an UID need to be entered as $UID. The train ID field in the rules editor also works as a drop-down control, so you could also pick the (U)ID directly from that list.
Two million people attempt to use Birmingham's magnificent rail network every year, with just over a million of them managing to get further than Smethwick. Last edited: 23/04/2021 at 09:01 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: DavidSplett |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 01/06/2019 at 03:12 #118584 | |
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headshot119
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Just to add that although timetable 1.1 will be on the update server by the time the UK wakes up, we are still debating what the best way to solve this is, and we don't want to rush into a hatchet job.
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| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 01/06/2019 at 08:44 #118593 | |
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DavidSplett
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headshot119 in post 118584 said:Just to add that although timetable 1.1 will be on the update server by the time the UK wakes up, we are still debating what the best way to solve this is, and we don't want to rush into a hatchet job. Thanks for taking the time to look into it. I ruled up the timetable for my own use with a 5 minute rule between exit and entry, and now I’ve managed to get it to work it works quite well. No duplicates if stuff turned short, and reactionary delays occur more realistically. I wonder if there might be scope for a new sim feature to take account of this situation, namely a rule which has a random variable window between a minimum and maximum number of minutes, the minimum being the shortest time a train could get out and back (ie turned short), and the maximum being the normal running time to and from booked destination. Something to think about. Would definitely prove useful in other sims, KX springs to mind. Last edited: 23/04/2021 at 09:01 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Jan, headshot119, Meld |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 23/04/2021 at 08:58 #138937 | |
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Moderator Note - All posts in this thread above this one show as edited by moderator on the 23rd of April 2021 due to an error when attempting to edit the first post to get the template wording for WTT threads. The content of the posts wasn't changed, they all just needed to be moved to a new thread to maintain the post order.
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| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 30/05/2021 at 20:26 #139796 | |
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swiftaw
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Is 2F74 supposed to move up to the Bidston Stabling Siding to clear platform 2 for 2W52?
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| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 30/05/2021 at 20:48 #139798 | |
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Thanks for this - its not got a booked move, I have added a shunt from P1 to P2 via the siding - will be in the next batch of updates
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| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 06/03/2024 at 11:13 #155601 | |
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swiftaw
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I think 2S35 is missing a join instruction at Southport. 2S19 is parked in Southport and it has a join instruction to 2S35, but 2S35 doesn't have a join instruction to 2S19.
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| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 08/03/2024 at 04:34 #155634 | |
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swiftaw
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Another one, 5R47 does go far enough into Rock Ferry P3, so when 5R49 joins in it fouls the points, so no traffic from P2 can continue on the Up Chester.
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| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 17/09/2024 at 19:21 #158574 | |
BenWright
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Same issue with 2S35 
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| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 19/09/2024 at 20:06 #158587 | |
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Another note is 2S46 is set as a 6 car unit but joins to a 3 car unit, same as 2S48 meaning the trains block the points Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 20/09/2024 at 11:46 #158592 | |
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MarkC
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BenWright in post 158574 said:Same issue with 2S35It appears you may have edited 2S35/Y60832 TT to remove its join to 2S19/Y60806. I have check the 2015 TT supplied with the sim, all appears in the 2015 supplied TT correctly. Last edited: 20/09/2024 at 11:47 by MarkC Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Sandhills (Merseyrail) SX 08 04 2015 20/09/2024 at 11:58 #158593 | |
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MarkC
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BenWright in post 158587 said:Another note is 2S46 is set as a 6 car unit but joins to a 3 car unit, same as 2S48 meaning the trains block the pointsWith no save to look at it is difficult to say what is going on here, but looking at 2S46/Y60997 TT he is meant to arrive into an empty P2 detach the rear 3cars then sits in the platform for about 4 hrs when his 3Car join will arrive, which is a simular to how to 2S48/Y60860 should work as well. Providing a save when reporting all matters helps with troubleshooting, I have used the save you provided here but that can only say so much as it is hours after the event. Last edited: 20/09/2024 at 11:59 by MarkC Reason: None given Log in to reply |