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Platform on Down Fast rather than Down Slow. Is this unusual? 21/09/2019 at 09:18 #120528
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1795 posts 		I'm playimg the Stafford 2015 tt (04:45 start) and have noticed that, at Rugeley Trent Valley station, Platform 2 is on the Down Fast and not the Down Slow (see screenshot). I would have expected it to be on the Slow line for the stopping trains.

Is this unusual, or are there any other examples of this arrangement?
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Platform on Down Fast rather than Down Slow. Is this unusual? 21/09/2019 at 09:34 #120529
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1764 posts 		bugsy in post 120528 said:
I'm playimg the Stafford 2015 tt (04:45 start) and have noticed that, at Rugeley Trent Valley station, Platform 2 is on the Down Fast and not the Down Slow (see screenshot). I would have expected it to be on the Slow line for the stopping trains.

Is this unusual, or are there any other examples of this arrangement?
It was a peculiar arrangement. I suspect it came about as a result of remodelling at the time of electrification; O S Nock's Britain's New Railway refers to remodelling at Colwich (and I'm not so sure it doesn't have a track diagram, no time to check at present). That would suggest down slow & down fast were transposed at that time, giving the down fast a full-speed run through Colwich with high speed crossovers to teh down slow for the Manchester route.
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Platform on Down Fast rather than Down Slow. Is this unusual? 21/09/2019 at 11:28 #120530
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1795 posts 		kbarber in post 120529 said:
bugsy in post 120528 said:
I'm playimg the Stafford 2015 tt (04:45 start) and have noticed that, at Rugeley Trent Valley station, Platform 2 is on the Down Fast and not the Down Slow (see screenshot). I would have expected it to be on the Slow line for the stopping trains.

Is this unusual, or are there any other examples of this arrangement?
It was a peculiar arrangement. I suspect it came about as a result of remodelling at the time of electrification; O S Nock's Britain's New Railway refers to remodelling at Colwich (and I'm not so sure it doesn't have a track diagram, no time to check at present). That would suggest down slow & down fast were transposed at that time, giving the down fast a full-speed run through Colwich with high speed crossovers to teh down slow for the Manchester route.
I find that very interesting. Not only that, you have given me the title of a book which I now intend to purchase. Thanks.
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Platform on Down Fast rather than Down Slow. Is this unusual? 21/09/2019 at 11:44 #120531
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258 posts 		kbarber in post 120529 said:
It was a peculiar arrangement. I suspect it came about as a result of remodelling at the time of electrification; O S Nock's Britain's New Railway refers to remodelling at Colwich (and I'm not so sure it doesn't have a track diagram, no time to check at present). That would suggest down slow & down fast were transposed at that time, giving the down fast a full-speed run through Colwich with high speed crossovers to teh down slow for the Manchester route.

I remember a conversation on the Railscene Euston to Liverpool Cab Ride when the train was passing Rugely, it was said that the platform was on the fast line since that was originally the slow line.

After Tamworth to Armitage was four tracked, the fast and slow lines were transposed again but this actually made it slower for trains on the down fast heading towards Stafford and left the rather unusual arrangement on the down fast at Colwich where Stafford is the diverging route at 65 mph with a feather and Stone the through route at 85 mph. Immediately after the points however there is a 45 mph restriction on the Stone route so trains for Stone would actually have to slow down more than "diverging" Stafford trains at 65 mph. I've always wondered why they didn't just have Stafford as the through route at 65 mph and a 45 mph divergence to Stone.
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Platform on Down Fast rather than Down Slow. Is this unusual? 21/09/2019 at 11:57 #120532
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5269 posts 		bugsy in post 120530 said:
Not only that, you have given me the title of a book which I now intend to purchase. Thanks.
Suspect you'll have to scour the second-hand bookshops as it was published by Ian Allan in 1966.
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Platform on Down Fast rather than Down Slow. Is this unusual? 21/09/2019 at 12:29 #120534
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1795 posts 		postal in post 120532 said:
bugsy in post 120530 said:
Not only that, you have given me the title of a book which I now intend to purchase. Thanks.
Suspect you'll have to scour the second-hand bookshops as it was published by Ian Allan in 1966.
Yes. I did notice the publication date.

However, there's a second-hand one on Amazon that I'm considering.
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Platform on Down Fast rather than Down Slow. Is this unusual? 21/09/2019 at 13:03 #120536
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1795 posts 		bugsy in post 120534 said:
postal in post 120532 said:
bugsy in post 120530 said:
Not only that, you have given me the title of a book which I now intend to purchase. Thanks.
Suspect you'll have to scour the second-hand bookshops as it was published by Ian Allan in 1966.
Yes. I did notice the publication date.

However, there's a second-hand one on Amazon that I'm considering.
There. Gone and done one it. Ordered. There were only four available. Only three now.
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Platform on Down Fast rather than Down Slow. Is this unusual? 02/10/2019 at 17:20 #120699
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1795 posts 		bugsy in post 120536 said:
bugsy in post 120534 said:
postal in post 120532 said:
bugsy in post 120530 said:
Not only that, you have given me the title of a book which I now intend to purchase. Thanks.
Suspect you'll have to scour the second-hand bookshops as it was published by Ian Allan in 1966.
Yes. I did notice the publication date.

However, there's a second-hand one on Amazon that I'm considering.
There. Gone and done one it. Ordered. There were only four available. Only three now.
A book turned up a few days later. Not 'the' book; 'a' book. It was all about railway modelling, which is no doubt very interesting to some people, but not particluarly interesting to me, although I must admit that I did have a quick look at some of the layouts.
It turned out that 'my' book had been sent to someone else and visa versa. It had the correct despatch note inside but it was the wrong book. I posted it back to the bookshop the same day that I recieved it. The bookshop concerned were very apologetic and said that they would deal with it promptly, which to their credit, they did and the correct book turned up a few days later. Considering it was printed in 1966, 50 odd years ago, it's in very good condition.

So my story had a happy ending
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Platform on Down Fast rather than Down Slow. Is this unusual? 04/10/2019 at 18:21 #120710
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5 posts 		I know it's off topic from the OP but I saw you guys talking about old books and this place came to mind.

http://forreadingaddicts.co.uk/bookshop-reviews/baggins-book-bazaar-rochester

It claims to be the largest retailer of rare and secondhand books in the land.

Not been in there myself but it looks like if a book exists... it will be here.
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