K222 DCBG (Reverse) and train 5B967

Are running my King's Cross 1985 timetable or the one Kurt did upteen years ago?

OK can't really help you if it's not my timetable. Although my timetable is listed as 1985-1986 the station working book I used for that timetable was from May 1985 - Sept. 1985 & is accurate unlike the King's Cross 1985 timetable you are running.

Glad to hear you resolved it. That 1985 KX timetable was very good when it came our, however once Id checked the actual 1985 station working book there were a number of discrepancies & train formations which led me to believe he hadn't got that publication when he wrote the timetable. My KX 1985 timetable is based on the actual BR documentation for the period. At some point in the not too distant future I've got to update that timetable as I now have the loco diagrams for the period & so can allocate the right type of loco to the trains in the timetable which should make the experience even better.

I noticed the same issue in the 1985-1986 timetable for 5B96:

Hitchin Plat 1
Hitchen K222 DCGB Reverse
Hitchen Plat 2 to become 2B80.

I don't see how sending it to K222 which is the CMEE gets it to platform 2.

swiftaw in post 121077 said:

I noticed the same issue in the 1985-1986 timetable for 5B96:

Hitchin Plat 1
Hitchen K222 DCGB Reverse
Hitchen Plat 2 to become 2B80.

I don't see how sending it to K222 which is the CMEE gets it to platform 2.

It doesn't. That's why I did it as described in my first post above

Yes, my message was more in response to 58050's post where he asked if you were running his/her timetable and you said you weren't, but this does in fact occur in his timetable also with 5B96 (and also 5F01).

I dealt with it by right-clicking on the train in the train list and using Edit Timetable to route it the correct way (although Abandon timetable would also work).

Since this is my first time running this timetable I'm also keeping a list of impacted trains so I can modify the timetable for next time I want to run it.

What both of you could do is list things you've come across & let me know what they are so when I come to carrying out the updates to this TT I can look at what you've listed. There shouldn't be any platform clashes at King's Cross station as I used my copy of the official BR King's Cross station working book for 1985.

58050 in post 121129 said:

What both of you could do is list things you've come across & let me know what they are so when I come to carrying out the updates to this TT I can look at what you've listed. There shouldn't be any platform clashes at King's Cross station as I used my copy of the official BR King's Cross station working book for 1985.

Thanks. So far I have only found two, but I have only worked the sim up to about 7am so far:
5B96
5F01

swiftaw in post 121130 said:

58050 in post 121129 said:

What both of you could do is list things you've come across & let me know what they are so when I come to carrying out the updates to this TT I can look at what you've listed. There shouldn't be any platform clashes at King's Cross station as I used my copy of the official BR King's Cross station working book for 1985.

Thanks. So far I have only found two, but I have only worked the sim up to about 7am so far:
5B96
5F01

I do not know why it is named as K222 DCBG (Reverse) for the reversing location, but a clue as to where it reverses is in the name K222 DCBG (Reverse), I belive that DCBG is in referance to Down Cambridge and looking in F2 the direction the train is facing is DN so if you set the route to signal 943 he will happily take the route and arrive at the location, reverse and then continue on to Hitchin P2.


Updated info

Upon further investigation there is a mantis report for this #0015005, the location K222 DCBG (Reverse), is incorrectly named and it should be named K228 DCBG (Reverse)

5B53

It comes out of Hitchin Up Yard at 10:20, with instructions to go through Hitchin Platform 1 to get to Hitchin South (Reverse) and then on to Hitchin Platform 2.

swiftaw in post 121276 said:

5B53

It comes out of Hitchin Up Yard at 10:20, with instructions to go through Hitchin Platform 1 to get to Hitchin South (Reverse) and then on to Hitchin Platform 2.

Weird, in my copy of the 1985 timetable, 5B53 doesn’t enter from anywhere, it’s formed as a new working from 5B431, which in turn is made from 2B431, which comes from Biggleswade. Are you sure you got the right train ID?

Now I've been looking at this in my 1985 TT & 5B53 is formned off 2b43 gtom Huntingdon. The reason it does into the yard for 19mins is due to the fact that they don't want to block the Up Slow or have a train sitting in P2 for over 15mins prior to its next working departure time. The WTT doesn't alway have shunt moves printed in them, certainly covering small distances like P1 to Hitchin Yard & so from my railway experience of the period & speaking to signalman who worked the area prior to KX PSB that was the movement that was generally done. Bear in mind as it was a Cl. as opposed to Cl.1 or Cl.2 where it would be conveying passengers it was allowed to signal this train over Goods Lines. Passenger trains conveying passenger had to have speacial authority to traverse Goods Lines.
On a side note to this timetable, at some point I intend to work on an upgrade for it with the addition of actual loco diagrams for the period against the trains they worked & this would also entail additional movements that the loco diagram would show like Local Trip Engine (LTS which WTTs don't contain, or other Departmental workings.

The issue occurs when 5B53 reappears (5B53A) from Hitchin Up Yard at 10:22. It is supposed to make its way to Platform 2 to form 2B53 which departs at 10:30. However, the way the timetable is written there is no way for it to get to Platform 2.

swiftaw in post 121299 said:

The issue occurs when 5B53 reappears (5B53A) from Hitchin Up Yard at 10:22. It is supposed to make its way to Platform 2 to form 2B53 which departs at 10:30. However, the way the timetable is written there is no way for it to get to Platform 2.

All discussed at some length many moons ago here. Looks like the TT has never been updated after that discussion.

postal in post 121302 said:

swiftaw in post 121299 said:

The issue occurs when 5B53 reappears (5B53A) from Hitchin Up Yard at 10:22. It is supposed to make its way to Platform 2 to form 2B53 which departs at 10:30. However, the way the timetable is written there is no way for it to get to Platform 2.

All discussed at some length many moons ago here. Looks like the TT has never been updated after that discussion.

When I get a bit noew of an empty plate I'll then start amending the 86-86 timetable. The down side is that this all takes time to do.