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6M22 run round process 01/11/2019 at 17:12 #121442
Hawk777
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386 posts 		Hi all!
I’m playing the October 15, 2009 timetable, version 4-7. Using the instructions here, I have gotten 6M22 up into a sensible place for the round round to occur. But now I’ve run into another problem: where exactly is the locomotive supposed to go? Attached is a diagram of what seems to me to be the obvious thing to do, to keep everything nice and out of the way of the mainline, except that the part of the diagram drawn in red isn’t a valid route. What is the proper way to do this? Is this route intentionally missing because it’s also not available in real life? Am I supposed to just talk the locomotive past the red signal, or do I have to (rather pointlessly, as far as I can see) take it all the way across the mainlines into Cricklewood platform or the dep/rec line and then back again? In the latter case, is there any convention in terms of which location is used? It seems that Cricklewood platforms 1 (on the up slow) and 2 (on the down slow) and the dep/rec line all work, in the sense that there are routes to them and back again.

Thanks!
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6M22 run round process 01/11/2019 at 17:36 #121443
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3701 posts 		Trains run round on the RRL (run round line) or DH normally using the headhunt.

The train is stopped in the wrong place.
"We don't stop camborne wednesdays"
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6M22 run round process 01/11/2019 at 17:52 #121445
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386 posts 		Oh, I see! I was going by JamesN’s screenshot in the other thread which showed things starting out as I show here. I had not understood that the whole train was supposed to occupy the RRL, rather than just the engine.
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6M22 run round process 05/11/2019 at 16:44 #121492
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386 posts 		OK, so it looks like the following timetable changes need to be made:
* For 6M22, replace “Signal WH533/535/551” with “West Hampstead Thameslink, platform DH” keeping the activities the same.
* For 0M22-R, replace its timetable with the following:
1. West Hampstead Thameslink, platform DH
2. Signal WH529
3. West Hampstead Thameslink, platform RRL, passing
4. Signal WH562
5. West Hampstead Thameslink, platform DH, join 6M22

This seems to do exactly what you described now, and with these changes, both TTs validate, too—and not even any manual reversals needed. Thanks for the help!
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6M22 run round process 14/11/2019 at 23:08 #121653
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121 posts 		Hawk777 in post 121445 said:
Oh, I see! I was going by JamesN’s screenshot in the other thread which showed things starting out as I show here. I had not understood that the whole train was supposed to occupy the RRL, rather than just the engine.
The position of the train is fine - the loco goes towards Dudding Hill, then back from there to the train. We hardly ever ran around outside the box!
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6M22 run round process 15/11/2019 at 00:46 #121655
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Online 		I did a screenshot?
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6M22 run round process 15/11/2019 at 04:49 #121656
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386 posts 		JamesN in post 121655 said:
I did a screenshot?
Yep! On this post in 2014. That’s how I was originally trying to do the run round, and it didn’t work.
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6M22 run round process 15/11/2019 at 04:59 #121657
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386 posts 		MrBitsy in post 121653 said:
Hawk777 in post 121445 said:
Oh, I see! I was going by JamesN’s screenshot in the other thread which showed things starting out as I show here. I had not understood that the whole train was supposed to occupy the RRL, rather than just the engine.
The position of the train is fine - the loco goes towards Dudding Hill, then back from there to the train. We hardly ever ran around outside the box!
Sorry, I don’t quite understand. Do you mean I should start with how I drew the diagram in my first post, but then send the loco from 441 all the way to 443, then 445, then back from there via 576 to 446 to 444? Like the diagram attached to this post?
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6M22 run round process 15/11/2019 at 08:57 #121658
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121 posts 		Hawk777 in post 121657 said:
MrBitsy in post 121653 said:
Hawk777 in post 121445 said:
Oh, I see! I was going by JamesN’s screenshot in the other thread which showed things starting out as I show here. I had not understood that the whole train was supposed to occupy the RRL, rather than just the engine.
The position of the train is fine - the loco goes towards Dudding Hill, then back from there to the train. We hardly ever ran around outside the box!
Sorry, I don’t quite understand. Do you mean I should start with how I drew the diagram in my first post, but then send the loco from 441 all the way to 443, then 445, then back from there via 576 to 446 to 444? Like the diagram attached to this post?


There is a signal by the Tamper Siding on the way to Dudding hill. Loco goes behind that then back on to its train - I don't see that signal on your screenshot though?? 6M22 was too long to run round outside the box. We mostly ran trains around using the road towards dudding hill.
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6M22 run round process 15/11/2019 at 17:32 #121664
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386 posts 		MrBitsy in post 121658 said:
There is a signal by the Tamper Siding on the way to Dudding hill. Loco goes behind that then back on to its train - I don't see that signal on your screenshot though?? 6M22 was too long to run round outside the box. We mostly ran trains around using the road towards dudding hill.
Could it be that the signal you’re referring to is the one beside the recess curve in my second screenshot, where I showed doing the reversal? Maybe it’s beside the tamper siding on the ground but this was a more convenient place to draw it in SimSig? Or is there definitely a signal missing?
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6M22 run round process 27/11/2019 at 23:59 #121975
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121 posts 		Hawk777 in post 121664 said:
MrBitsy in post 121658 said:
There is a signal by the Tamper Siding on the way to Dudding hill. Loco goes behind that then back on to its train - I don't see that signal on your screenshot though?? 6M22 was too long to run round outside the box. We mostly ran trains around using the road towards dudding hill.
Could it be that the signal you’re referring to is the one beside the recess curve in my second screenshot, where I showed doing the reversal? Maybe it’s beside the tamper siding on the ground but this was a more convenient place to draw it in SimSig? Or is there definitely a signal missing?
Maybe its the one you say is by the recess curve and is just in a different place on the real panel. Your diagram is correct in the way 6M22 was run round.
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