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Westbury 130220 PLUS 05/04/2020 at 22:00 #125413
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384 posts 		A 2020 Timetable for Westbury based in February 2020. This was quite a challenge with the amount of changes that have occurred in the area with the upgrades to the Great Western, they now have Electricity.

A lot of changes have taken place since the Westbury Sim was first published

A wide variety of freight dominated by Freightliner who now operate the Mendip Traffic. Data from GWR & SWR diagrams for the units, with GWR being the dominant player, and FL and GB for their services including consist.
DB still operate in the area as well as Colas

Timetable uploaded awaiting approval
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 06/04/2020 at 02:05 #125420
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384 posts 		Timetable approved and available for download
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 06/04/2020 at 21:26 #125430
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80 posts 		Hi Chris. fantastic timetable we played it as a multiplayer today and we couldn't get that 3K21(i think it was) to enter either. i even changed it to stop at Bedwyn before it went into the siding but no luck. V strange. Much appreciated and keep up the good work

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Westbury 130220 PLUS 06/04/2020 at 23:22 #125434
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1315 posts 		Some freights have a line speed that does not correspond with their headcode. For instance 6V22 is a 45mph train which keeps accumulating delay as it seems to be timed for 60mph; and the opposite is true for 7C81.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 07/04/2020 at 10:05 #125443
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Online 		I’ll run it through the tool at https://SimSig-tools.project76.net/ttdump.html shortly to look for any other speed errors.

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Westbury 130220 PLUS 07/04/2020 at 11:31 #125445
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1315 posts 		2V69 calling at Frome North Jn is standing ahead of the junction at signal 195, blocking the way for 2O70. Consider using another timing point to hold 2V69 (Clink Road Jn?).

Edit: 7C81 is longer than its description (744 instead of 623) so it doesn't fit in Woodborough loop.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 07/04/2020 at 13:03 #125453
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1315 posts 		5K07 leaves Bedwyn too early, it should wait for 1A72.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 07/04/2020 at 13:15 #125454
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Online 		Analyzer shows the following:

All of the light engines have "can use goods lines" unticked and have "use freight linespeed" ticked, so may run at reduced speed on main lines.

The following consists have the wrong max. speed: 6M20 and 6V51 (75mp), 6V22 twice (45mp), 7C81 and 7F51 (60mp).

NO freight consists have "can use goods lines" ticked.

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Westbury 130220 PLUS 07/04/2020 at 13:27 #125456
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5269 posts 		9pN1SEAp in post 125454 said:
NO freight consists have "can use goods lines" ticked.
The "can use goods lines" box is there so that either a specific Cl.1/2/9 train or a specific type of non-freight consist can use goods lines. Other train classes (Cl. 3/4/5/6/7/8) can use goods lines by default even though the box is not ticked.

It is documented in the Wiki here.

The relevant test is:

Use Freight linespeeds - If ticked, the train will use speeds specified for freight trains, where applicable.

Can use freight lines - If ticked, this will allow class 1, 2 and 9 trains to use freight lines without questioning the route. Note- if 'Use Freight linespeeds' is ticked, this box need not be ticked.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 07/04/2020 at 14:01 #125458
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Online 		Thanks Postal, that just leaves the 5 freight with wrong speed then plus lights not running at mainline speeds.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 07/04/2020 at 15:12 #125460
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5269 posts 		You also need to remember that light engines and loco-hauled restricted formations may be speed limited to below line speed. Details in the RSSB Ruile Book for drivers. The relevant section is here.

The text of Chapter 2.2 indicates that locomotive-hauled trains in the formation shown, or locomotives running light, do not exceed the speeds shown below where the permissible speed is more than 60 mph (95 km/h):

Where the formation is any number of locomotives running light, or one or two locomotives with one, two or three coaching stock vehicles, or three or more locomotives and any number of coaching stock vehicles running where the line speed is 90mph or above, speed will be limited to 75mph. Any of those formations running where the line speed is 85mph or less will be restricted to 60mph or the line speed, whichever is lower.

There is also information in the Chapter about permissible speeds with Mk.1, Mk. 2 and Mk. 3 sleeper stock in the formation.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 07/04/2020 at 16:24 #125467
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1315 posts 		6V60's entry time at Southcote seems to be off, entering an hour before it is scheduled to pass through Newbury.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 07/04/2020 at 16:26 #125468
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Online 		That complicates things! I can't see any Speed Classes in SimSig for Light Engines, or for Mk1/Mk2/SLEP.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 07/04/2020 at 17:02 #125470
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1611 posts 		9pN1SEAp in post 125468 said:
That complicates things! I can't see any Speed Classes in SimSig for Light Engines, or for Mk1/Mk2/SLEP.
Why do speed classes come into it?

If it’s light engine set the maximum speed to 75.

If it’s loco hauled but only 2/3 coaches set the max speed accordingly in the train type.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 07/04/2020 at 17:04 #125471
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1611 posts 		Albert in post 125467 said:
6V60's entry time at Southcote seems to be off, entering an hour before it is scheduled to pass through Newbury.
It’s due to recess in Towney loop (between Theale and Aldermaston) for 41 minutes. Alas Towney loop was controlled from Reading (main) Panel not the Newbury mini-panel thus falls outwith the bounds of the sim.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 07/04/2020 at 18:35 #125473
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5269 posts 		JamesN in post 125470 said:
If it’s light engine set the maximum speed to 75.
If I found the current Rule Book stipulation and I read it correctly then where the line speed is 85mph or less the light engine speed should be restricted to 60mph.

There is one extra proviso I didn't write up before. Chapter 2.2 of the Speeds Module (GE/RT8000/SP) does include:

You do not need to apply any of the restrictions in this section to some classes of locomotives, if shown in your train operating company instructions.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 07/04/2020 at 21:27 #125480
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384 posts 		9pN1SEAp in post 125454 said:
Analyzer shows the following:

All of the light engines have "can use goods lines" unticked and have "use freight linespeed" ticked, so may run at reduced speed on main lines.

The following consists have the wrong max. speed: 6M20 and 6V51 (75mp), 6V22 twice (45mp), 7C81 and 7F51 (60mp).

NO freight consists have "can use goods lines" ticked.

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Jamie
Cheers Jamie for that I will go through all the things that have been spotted.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 07/04/2020 at 23:44 #125489
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1315 posts 		Got some weird issues with up/down directions of trains. Train 5F91 doesn't reverse in the Trowbridge siding and calls me 'at buffer stops'. Train 6V07 spontaneously reverses after calling at Bradford Jn.

Edit: for reference I attached a save just pre-dating both events.

Edit 2: 6M20 at Frome North Jn also spontaneously reversed, hitting a red signal 414.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 08/04/2020 at 10:07 #125494
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1315 posts 		6M20 has a length which does not match its description - it is (edit) 21 m long but described as "315" (without unit)

And 0F59 should have the timing point Frome NJ (rev) instead of Frome North Jn. It now reverses ahead of the junction rather than past the junction.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 09/04/2020 at 13:28 #125515
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1315 posts 		7C76 is too long for the Salisbury spur.

I'm sorry for posting so many messages - the TT is great and most problems I was able to work around without any problem.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 09/04/2020 at 14:28 #125516
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5269 posts 		Albert in post 125515 said:
7C76 is too long for the Salisbury spur.

I'm sorry for posting so many messages - the TT is great and most problems I was able to work around without any problem.
Perhaps Chrisrail and you could reach some sort of agreement that you test TTs of his before they are released so that these problems could be ironed out before going public.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 09/04/2020 at 19:05 #125525
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1315 posts 		Albert in post 125494 said:

And 0F59 should have the timing point Frome NJ (rev) instead of Frome North Jn. It now reverses ahead of the junction rather than past the junction.
Getting the return working to work was a bit complicated. I needed to add Frome NJ (rev) as reversing point, and then Frome North Jn as passing point before Whatley Quarry. Otherwise it would move off to Westbury.

Another minor point: 1V98 is standing with its tail outside the platform while joining 5V98. Consider changing the stopping point of 5V98.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 10/04/2020 at 19:16 #125564
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384 posts 		Cheers Albert
When I get chance I will have a look

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Westbury 130220 PLUS 11/04/2020 at 10:59 #125607
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1315 posts 		Thanks! Found another one: there are two trains with the headcode 7C79, the first one (H99945) is scheduled to go into Woodborough loop but does not fit.

Albert in post 125525 said:

Another minor point: 1V98 is standing with its tail outside the platform while joining 5V98. Consider changing the stopping point of 5V98.

2A87 also doesn't leave enough room for its joining portion 2M34. In this case it means 2O98 is unable to arrive on platform 3.
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Westbury 130220 PLUS 21/05/2020 at 22:20 #126983
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Online 		I’ve noticed that this thread has been quiet for 5 weeks. (last post on 11th April 2020)

As I'm really looking forwartd to playing this timetable, I was wondering if the issues raised are to be rectified, or have I missed something?
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