Premature route setting from sidings

Running Piccadilly with ARS operative, there is a problem with trains leaving siding areas, chiefly Longsight; the route is set instantly when the train is reported even if there is still 10 minutes to it moving. This often leads to main line moves being blocked. I can't see a way of preventing that except for disabling all the local ARS interlockings, which sort of defeats the object of ARS. The route setting is instantaneous, so even if you are looking at that part of the layout, you can't intervene in time. Cancelling the route gets a black mark for a signal reversion.

Would suggest considering going into F3 Options » ARS tab and turning off (unticking) Auto routesetting for Class 5 trains, and possibly also Class 3 trains too.

UKTrainMan in post 129019 said:

Would suggest considering going into F3 Options » ARS tab and turning off (unticking) Auto routesetting for Class 5 trains, and possibly also Class 3 trains too.

Would this be advisory/necessary for any Piccadilly sim with ARS?

UKTrainMan in post 129019 said:

Would suggest considering going into F3 Options » ARS tab and turning off (unticking) Auto routesetting for Class 5 trains, and possibly also Class 3 trains too.

Would this be advisory/necessary for any Piccadilly sim with ARS?

bugsy in post 129035 said:

UKTrainMan in post 129019 said:

Would suggest considering going into F3 Options » ARS tab and turning off (unticking) Auto routesetting for Class 5 trains, and possibly also Class 3 trains too.

Would this be advisory/necessary for any Piccadilly sim with ARS?

That I can't be sure of - admittedly I don't yet have Piccadilly and therefore haven't yet played it - but if ARS is causing an issue with prematurely routing Class 5 trains then rather than turning off one or possibly more ARS area(s) I'd definitely recommend manually routing them. Gives you more control over them. Do however have to remember that turning off auto routesetting for one or more class(es) of trains would be carried across to other simulations as it is a 'universal' F3 option across all simulations featuring ARS.

Or alternatively, as per the suggestion above, using reminders on signals works too.

I can't see a way of preventing that except for disabling all the local ARS interlockings, which sort of defeats the object of ARS

I haven't played the Piccadilly sim recently and I'm playing a Peterborough sim at the moment in which you can turn off individual ARS areas. Does anyone know if this can be done in the Piccadilly sim. If so, I could use it as an alternative method.

Afterbrunel said:

I can't see a way of preventing that except for disabling all the local ARS interlockings, which sort of defeats the object of ARS

While I'd agree that putting reminders on the depot exit signals as suggested above is the best work-around to the problem, you only need to disable sub-area LNGUG to stop routes being set out of the depot- though ARS also won't set routes onto the Up/Down Goods from the Piccadilly direction.

bugsy in post 129042 said:

I haven't played the Piccadilly sim recently and I'm playing a Peterborough sim at the moment in which you can turn off individual ARS areas. Does anyone know if this can be done in the Piccadilly sim. If so, I could use it as an alternative method.

ARS is always divided into sub-areas.

Afterbrunel in post 128974 said:

Running Piccadilly with ARS operative, there is a problem with trains leaving siding areas, chiefly Longsight; the route is set instantly when the train is reported even if there is still 10 minutes to it moving. This often leads to main line moves being blocked. I can't see a way of preventing that except for disabling all the local ARS interlockings, which sort of defeats the object of ARS. The route setting is instantaneous, so even if you are looking at that part of the layout, you can't intervene in time. Cancelling the route gets a black mark for a signal reversion.

Could it be because the ARS only reads trains which are present in the sim i.e. if a train is still to enter but due in front the ARS has no knowledge of that train? It then reads the situation as it sees it at that moment, works out that it will not cause any delays to other trains it can see by moving the ECS on and thus sets the route.