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| Summer 1991 timetable 28/11/2020 at 14:30 #134213 | |
58050
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Table 52 in post 134212 said:I also ended up with 2Z99 DS at Radlett on. Tuesday TT, also got 2Z56 as well. The situation was made worse by one of the up overnight passenger services breaking down at St Albans for an hour, effectively knocking out the US all the way from Harpenden Jn to West Hampstead.Your a brave man playing faults & failures on. I guess I'd recommend when you first play this TT play it without faults & failures first & once you've got used to the various traffic flows on the different days of the week then put the daults & failures on. Fortunately the traffic levels between midnight & 04.30 when the through Thameslink services start running from Bedford & the traffic levels start to increase. But there's plenty of scope with the panel having 4 tracks over the majority of it so trains can be switched between lines. Log in to reply |
| Summer 1991 timetable 28/11/2020 at 15:09 #134215 | |
swiftaw
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Got to about 7:30am so far. The last hour has been challenging. I noticed a few platform conflicts at Luton, I assume these are conflicts in the real life timetable rather than errors?
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| Summer 1991 timetable 28/11/2020 at 16:15 #134218 | |
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swiftaw in post 134215 said:Got to about 7:30am so far. The last hour has been challenging. I noticed a few platform conflicts at Luton, I assume these are conflicts in the real life timetable rather than errors?When testing was carried out the conflicts that were raised by the user on Panel 3 they were changed to go inro P1 instead of P2 if there was a train in P2. Obviously if a train terminates in P3 to go to Luton North Jn to reverse sometimes you can get Cl.6 freights waiting for the DS to become clear & as a result trains following behind can get delayed, but not to the point where we thought trains had to change platforms at Luton. Some changes were made from the original TT & maybe 1 or 2 might have slipped through the net or the user didn't think the delay necessitated a platform alteration. Yes it does get tight, but usually on this sim & time can be recovered easily so by the time a train departs late it is generally on time by the time it gets to St. Albans City. Whilst testing I was on Panel 4 cos I wanted to make sure the yard shunts at Bedford were all in order. Whilst running round a train in P1 I always ended up forgetting about a Cl.5 in Bedford North Sdg. Once the freight had left P1 at Bedford I'd bring the first Cl.5 into P1 & it normally departed 7 minutes late from Bedford. However I used to run it FL vice SL as the linespeed is 10mph faster & ny the time this train got to St. Albans City it was back on time despite calling at all stations between Bedford & St. Albans City. Something to think about if you've got a train leaving Bedford late. Some of the all station services between Luton & London running on the SL can recover some minutes if late leavung Luton late. You could run those trains FL from Harpenden Jn if there's nowt coming on the UF from the north & then cross them back over at Radlett Jn, or possibly West Hampstead South Jn if there's sufficient allowance between that train & the next one on the UF. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: swiftaw |
| Summer 1991 timetable 29/11/2020 at 14:18 #134247 | |
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swiftaw
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The conflict that I noticed was between 5M35 and 5J07. Unless I'm misreading, 5M35 parked in the north loop blocks 5J07s access to platform 2.
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| Summer 1991 timetable 29/11/2020 at 15:43 #134249 | |
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swiftaw in post 134247 said:The conflict that I noticed was between 5M35 and 5J07. Unless I'm misreading, 5M35 parked in the north loop blocks 5J07s access to platform 2.Funny you should mention 5M35 cos if memory serves me correctly this train is actually a 'Q' cars from Slhurst T&RSMD to Bedford CS as shown in the King's Cross Thameslink/St. Pancras station working book which was used to create this timetable. There are a handful of these trains booked to run either way in the TT. But as 'Q' cars they don't always run.iirc they are set at 50% running as theyrun as required. Therefore when the platform clashh at Luton was noticedd it was decided not to do anything about it as it wasn't always guaranteed to appear for one & seecondly more importantly for the Bedford end iff you ran it straight through it would arrive at Bedford up to 20 mins early & as a result could block a platform for that amount of time at Bedford until it goers into the CS. I'd suggest you let it wait at on the approach at Luton until such time as you can send it through. It's not an important train as it doesn't form a passenger services at Bedford. It only goes in the CS. Similarly some of the Hoo Jn - Forders Sdgs trains which RR in P1 aat Bedford can arrive up to 15mins or more at Bedford South Jn. The usual way West Hampstead dealt with early running ffreights was to hold them before Bedford South Jn on the DS until such time ass the relief at Bedford wwas ready or when platform 1 is available to accept the train to RR. If it arrivees too early once the loco ree-joins the train in P1 after it has RR, the train could end up waiting till booked time before it departs on the Bedford - Bletchley line. This is another thing you need to keep an eye on. Log in to reply |
| Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 08:52 #134260 | |
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sunocske
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To be honest, there was a 'Q' ECS movement from Cricklewood to Selhurst, but I put it on the Dep/Rec line and told the driver to wait, four times per hour  But after 2Z56 finished, I let them go.
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| Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 12:08 #134263 | |
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sunocske in post 134260 said:To be honest, there was a 'Q' ECS movement from Cricklewood to Selhurst, but I put it on the Dep/Rec line and told the driver to wait, four times per hourYes that one is a bit awkward if 2Z56 is about. That said there wasn't alot of point in altering it partly cos the 'q' train has a 50% chance of appearing & also IIRC 2Z56 has a 25% chance of appearing. Personally for me as it's a 'Q' cars they could turn up anytime subjectt to what work was being carried out at elhurst T&RSMD. I remember back in 1990 when I worked in Liverpool Street RCO there was a booked 'Q' path taking a couple of units from Bishops Stortford to Ilford CS & a return working from Ilford CS. These 2 trains would go into an empty platform at Liverpool Street station for the driver to change endss. These 2 trains ran preetty much everyday. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: sunocske |
| Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 13:25 #134270 | |
KymriskaDraken
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Table 52 in post 134212 said:I also ended up with 2Z99 DS at Radlett on. Tuesday TT, also got 2Z56 as well. The situation was made worse by one of the up overnight passenger services breaking down at St Albans for an hour, effectively knocking out the US all the way from Harpenden Jn to West Hampstead.It's unwise to run this timetable with delays and/or failures turned on. Kev Log in to reply |
| Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 14:13 #134271 | |
flabberdacks
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Right at the start of the timetable, seed trains 2T32 and 5G48 both show 80 metres in length, but their descriptions aren't the same, one implies a 4 car set and the other implies 8 car. Is this right?
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| Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 17:17 #134279 | |
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KymriskaDraken in post 134270 said:I went for standard, but then turned failures to zero, so all I get is a small number of late runners and the occasional breakdown. It’s how I run most sims - it gives a little bit of spice and variety, but not enough to throw the whole service into chaos. Of course, if a train were to break down at Farringdon, I may regret this! Log in to reply |
| Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 20:46 #134289 | |
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flabberdacks in post 134271 said:Right at the start of the timetable, seed trains 2T32 and 5G48 both show 80 metres in length, but their descriptions aren't the same, one implies a 4 car set and the other implies 8 car. Is this right?I'm a bit confused with what you are saying. I've just opened West Hampstead & got a Tuesday. Both those trains you've mentioned are shown on the F2 as well as in the F4 as being 4 car units = 80m. Therefore I don't quite see where you think one of them is an 8 car. Neither of them join anything at Bedford, just go into the CS via the washer. 5G79 which seeds in P3 at Luton is an 8 car unit which also goes to Bedford CS. The Circuit numbers allocated tto the units in the train description should also tell you whether it's an 8 car or 4 car as these are taken from the station working book. The only thing I can think of is that you had a quick glance at the F2 screen & 5G48 & 5G79 are above one another one showing 80m & the other 160m & it's quite easy to mis-interpret the F2 at a quick glance. From what I can see no changes are required. I suspect you are running a Monday to have 2T32 on the panel & looking at the TT data that too shows 80m for a 4 car set. That train btw doesn't have a Circuit bumber as I don't have the Sunday book only the Mon-Fri edition. Last edited: 30/11/2020 at 20:53 by 58050 Reason: added comment Log in to reply |
| Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 21:03 #134292 | |
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Probably because the two descriptions are 5G48 (The seed version) - [SEED]23+55 [BE] EWD ECS Luton - Bedford CS (EMU Circ:850 NMLX SU 8/Cl.319) 2T32 (The seed version) - 2139 [B3] SUN Brighton - Bedford (EMU NMLX SU 4/Cl.319) Both are 4 cars in the train type, but the emphasized part of description doesn't match that. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: 58050 |
| Summer 1991 timetable 30/11/2020 at 21:22 #134293 | |
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headshot119 in post 134292 said:Probably because the two descriptions areYes it's a typo in the Train Description as another user has PM'd me. Appologise for that. Easiest way round is for all users to amend their own copies of the TT. Thanks anyway to those who have highlighted this. Log in to reply |
| Summer 1991 timetable 04/12/2020 at 19:08 #134379 | |
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swiftaw
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Does 5m95 need to be routed via the REC/DEP line to get to the Carriage Siding?
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| Summer 1991 timetable 04/12/2020 at 20:07 #134382 | |
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swiftaw in post 134379 said:Does 5m95 need to be routed via the REC/DEP line to get to the Carriage Siding?If its the carriage specials sdg, yes. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Summer 1991 timetable 04/12/2020 at 21:45 #134388 | |
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swiftaw
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I'm loving this timetable so far (made it to about 1pm). The morning rush hour is crazy, it calms down a little at 9:30 when the Moorgate trains stop but then the freight picks back up again. You really have to be careful not to let the trains that runaround at Bedford get there too early as they will block the platform. Its tough because of the lack of loops to stash them in. I still think that Pascal's West Yorkshire timetable is my favorite, but this is excellent also. Log in to reply |
| Summer 1991 timetable 06/12/2020 at 01:07 #134409 | |
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swiftaw
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Whats the story with 6B93/6093? 6B93 comes out of Dunstable and passes through Luton to 614 where the loco (47114) detaches. However, the remaining portion becomes 6093 which seems to be powered by a Class 33. Is there a 33 on the rear of 6B93? Also, around the same time there is a light 33, 0O93 approaching Luton heading to Dunstable, I was wondering if that was supposed to join 6B93 to make 6O93.
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| Summer 1991 timetable 06/12/2020 at 01:33 #134410 | |
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jc92
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swiftaw in post 134409 said:Whats the story with 6B93/6093? 6B93 comes out of Dunstable and passes through Luton to 614 where the loco (47114) detaches. However, the remaining portion becomes 6093 which seems to be powered by a Class 33. Is there a 33 on the rear of 6B93? Also, around the same time there is a light 33, 0O93 approaching Luton heading to Dunstable, I was wondering if that was supposed to join 6B93 to make 6O93.No theres appears to be an error here that hasn't been picked up. 47114 should work the train from Dunstable to Luton Hoo at which point the pair of 33's collect the train to work it south and the 47 retreats to bedford. 6O93 is formed of 2 33s and the PCA's but described as 47114 plus PCAs. the 33's should join the train in Luton Hoo, but the timings in my copy of the TT don't reflect this as they arrive after it departs. I'll ask pascal to review. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Summer 1991 timetable 06/12/2020 at 02:21 #134411 | |
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jc92 in post 134410 said:swiftaw in post 134409 said:What should happen is 47114 runs LD from Bedford to Dunstable to collect the empty PDA bogie cement tank which went to Dunstable earlier in the morning. The train comes to a stand on the Dunstable line opposite the Luton station front & detaches. This would be off sim. The pair of Cl.33 loco come LD from Hither Green & reverse in P5 onto the Luton Hoo section of the line & then reverse onto the train opposite Luton station front[again off sim]. Once they have coupled to the train they then draw forward with the empty tanks down the Luton Hoo branch. Once they have stopped at a pre-designated point then loco 47114 couples onto the rear of 6O93. When it is booked to depart the train 47114+empty PDAs+Cl.33/0x2 come off the Luton Hoo branch through P5 at Luton & stop at Luton North Jn whereby the 47 detaches from the rear of 6O93 & the Bedford guard does the brake test. Once that has occurred 47114 returns LD to Bedford LHS & the Hither Green crew work 6O93 forward back to Northfleet by crossing over onto the UF & run through P4 at Luton. That is hat should happen in real life. I'll take a look at this later in the day & correct this error.Whats the story with 6B93/6093? 6B93 comes out of Dunstable and passes through Luton to 614 where the loco (47114) detaches. However, the remaining portion becomes 6093 which seems to be powered by a Class 33. Is there a 33 on the rear of 6B93? Also, around the same time there is a light 33, 0O93 approaching Luton heading to Dunstable, I was wondering if that was supposed to join 6B93 to make 6O93.No theres appears to be an error here that hasn't been picked up. 47114 should work the train from Dunstable to Luton Hoo at which point the pair of 33's collect the train to work it south and the 47 retreats to bedford. 6O93 is formed of 2 33s and the PCA's but described as 47114 plus PCAs. the 33's should join the train in Luton Hoo, but the timings in my copy of the TT don't reflect this as they arrive after it departs. I'll ask pascal to review. Last edited: 06/12/2020 at 13:50 by 58050 Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: jc92 |