Garswood - missing Xover

Just curious (since Garswood was my local station growing up), what years were there services that terminated there?

Logged as Mantis 32670 to look at. This is something that I will need to work out, as the crossover isn't on any plans which I have.


Garswood [011_07] by Mersey_Rails_Plus, on Flickr

I will need to do some digging on this. The image I've linked to says its looking east, to be clear, that would be facing the Warrington PSB area, not Liverpool?

James

swiftaw in post 135775 said:

Just curious (since Garswood was my local station growing up), what years were there services that terminated there?

Well here's a curious thing. My folk memory was that it occurred from creation of the metro county in 1974 onwards. Delving into my timetable collection this morning I see that services were extended to Garswood in 1977, but didn't last long at all, being gone by 1980. Before and after the extension the extra services terminated st St Helens as you'll recall. So scratch "many" in the OP and insert "a few". First lesson for 2021: never trust your memory from 40+ years ago!

All of that said, the crossover did exist on the ground and Warrington is such a complete simultaion otherwise that it would be a shame not to include it....

Unfortunately, the "1973" plan, while dated 1973, has been modified upto an unknown date. I've noticed the same through out these early plans from the SRS site.

I will say though, collectively, these plans did help catch a number of small things that I would have otherwise missed.

James

pedroathome in post 135805 said:

Unfortunately, the "1973" plan, while dated 1973, has been modified upto an unknown date. I've noticed the same through out these early plans from the SRS site.

I will say though, collectively, these plans did help catch a number of small things that I would have otherwise missed.

James

I regret that I don't quite understand what you are referring to,this plan, from this page shows the crossover and controlling shunt signals quite clearly?

try the SRS archives. they have a signalling notice for Warrington PSB dated 1972 which might shed some light.

jc92 in post 135803 said:

try the SRS archives. they have a signalling notice for Warrington PSB dated 1972 which might shed some light.

Sheet 6 in that download is the one you need. I have it, but since it's a restricted material, I didn't feel it would be appropriate to publish it on this Forum.

whatlep in post 135812 said:

jc92 in post 135803 said:

try the SRS archives. they have a signalling notice for Warrington PSB dated 1972 which might shed some light.

Sheet 6 in that download is the one you need. I have it, but since it's a restricted material, I didn't feel it would be appropriate to publish it on this Forum.

That appears to have changed- it was available to all a few years ago when I downloaded a copy. That said, I think the screenshot further up has just sold me on an SRS membership...

EDIT

Withdrawn, I hadn't looked at the diagram properly.

EDIT

Withdrawn, I hadn't looked at the diagram properly.

headshot119 in post 135850 said:

EDIT

Withdrawn, I hadn't looked at the diagram properly.

Which is a shame as you may have hit the nail on the head with the comment about banking engines! The 1973 Sectional Appendix references assistance in rear between Ince Moss Jn and "Garswood station". Assistance to be provided until "travelling over the level approaching Garswood station, signal WN92".

I guess it's not too much of a leap to conjecture that assisting engines might not be able to stop until past WN R86 (as numbered on the plan) and probably across a track circuit boundary. So WN87 for a way of backtracking through a track circuit to get to WN89 possibly? Professional signalling engineers, feel free to shoot me down....

whatlep in post 135851 said:

headshot119 in post 135850 said:

EDIT

Withdrawn, I hadn't looked at the diagram properly.

Which is a shame as you may have hit the nail on the head with the comment about banking engines! The 1973 Sectional Appendix references assistance in rear between Ince Moss Jn and "Garswood station". Assistance to be provided until "travelling over the level approaching Garswood station, signal WN92".

I guess it's not too much of a leap to conjecture that assisting engines might not be able to stop until past WN R86 (as numbered on the plan) and probably across a track circuit boundary. So WN87 for a way of backtracking through a track circuit to get to WN89 possibly? Professional signalling engineers, feel free to shoot me down....

Perhaps I was on the mark then, it would make sense in some regards. The only other reason I could think for it if there was a siding somewhere between Garswood platform an WN87 signal at some point?