1985 Timetable

4) If seeding multiple workings in the same siding, how do I specify the order they are seeded so that the earliest can exit first? (Or does this just happen automagically?)

1) It looks like the coal yard and yard are not entry locations so presumably to use them, I would need to seed the trains at the signal that protects their exit? I will try this but if this is not right, does somebody know?

2) Looking at the seed points, I can see CL1/2/24/25R and also LC1-5, is there a way to find out where these are without asking on the forum?

Hi everyone,

I am planning to build a 1985 timetable for Wolverhampton and am looking at options for seeding and stabling light locos for locomotive changes. I have some questions:

1) It looks like the coal yard and yard are not entry locations so presumably to use them, I would need to seed the trains at the signal that protects their exit? I will try this but if this is not right, does somebody know?
2) Looking at the seed points, I can see CL1/2/24/25R and also LC1-5, is there a way to find out where these are without asking on the forum?
3) The siding lengths for US1-3 and the yards are not listed on the sim manual. Does anyone know what these are?
4) If seeding multiple workings in the same siding, how do I specify the order they are seeded so that the earliest can exit first? (Or does this just happen automagically?)

If anyone has any knowledge of WV in the 1980s that I won't find out from the working TT, please let me know, it might make the timetable easier/more realistic. Also, if anyone knows of other publications I will need/should look for that might contain info I won't have, please let me know as well. I saw that Carlise referred to a "station workings" but I don't know whether WV would have one since I can't imagine there were lots of station workings in such a busy through station.

Thanks

lukebriner in post 143239 said:

Hi everyone,

I am planning to build a 1985 timetable for Wolverhampton and am looking at options for seeding and stabling light locos for locomotive changes. I have some questions:

1) It looks like the coal yard and yard are not entry locations so presumably to use them, I would need to seed the trains at the signal that protects their exit? I will try this but if this is not right, does somebody know?
2) Looking at the seed points, I can see CL1/2/24/25R and also LC1-5, is there a way to find out where these are without asking on the forum?
3) The siding lengths for US1-3 and the yards are not listed on the sim manual. Does anyone know what these are?
4) If seeding multiple workings in the same siding, how do I specify the order they are seeded so that the earliest can exit first? (Or does this just happen automagically?)

If anyone has any knowledge of WV in the 1980s that I won't find out from the working TT, please let me know, it might make the timetable easier/more realistic. Also, if anyone knows of other publications I will need/should look for that might contain info I won't have, please let me know as well. I saw that Carlise referred to a "station workings" but I don't know whether WV would have one since I can't imagine there were lots of station workings in such a busy through station.

Thanks

I hope you've got a 1985 WCL(South) & West Midlands Trip Notice for this TT, cos if you don't then alot of trains won't be in your TT. Services that appear in trrip notice don't appear in WTTs. Furthermore The West Midlands area produced ECS Pamphlets which gave details of all ECS workings as they don't appear in the WETTs. In my collection I've just got 2 of those dated 1988 & 1990 & they cover a 12 montyh period & cover the area between Oxley & Tyseley. Platforming at Wolverhampton won't be done by station working books as they were done locally. I'm currently writing a summer 1990 Wolverhampton TT to chain to my Birmingham New Street summer 1990 TT, but I've got all the documentation necessary to write it & some loco diagrams too.

Hi everyone,

I am planning to build a 1985 timetable for Wolverhampton and am looking at options for seeding and stabling light locos for locomotive changes. I have some questions:

2) Looking at the seed points, I can see CL1/2/24/25R and also LC1-5, is there a way to find out where these are without asking on the forum?

The joy I have now is trying to tie up ECS, light locos and workings! Helpfully, some entries in the WTT say something like "After working the XYZ from Birmingham" but most don't say anything and I seem to be a few units short.

Also doesn't help that they split sunday from the weekdays so confusingly, some traffic carries over from weekdays into sundays and vice versa.

I was wondering about moving the trains that make sense into the SimSig timetable and then reducing what I am working with down to just the minimum but I would rather plan all of the timetable platforms etc. before putting it into SimSig (from Excel), otherwise I might have to go and edit everything later on if I need to make changes.

Oh the joys :-)

The joy I have now is trying to tie up ECS, light locos and workings!

2G66 comes in from Shrewsbury and has 3 columns, one is SX and terminates at WV, the other two are SO, one is after Oct (which I am not covering) the other is before Oct and continues to BHM. However, there doesn't seem to be any further workings from WV because there is only a single ECS SO from BHM to Shrewsbury. Since it is a 1-car DMU, it is easy to see that it isn't used elsewhere so I can just chuck it in platform 6. Just seems weird.

You'll need to pick a day (or days) and a date for your timetable so everything matches. In the above example, if your timetable is for any weekday, and is set between May and October, the DMU will run to New Street. if the timetable is October to May 86, it will terminate at Wolverhampton. the SO working is irrelevant. You may find a corresponding working that starts at Wolverhampton October onwards for instance, which would balance the train. its possible this train stables overnight and works a train originating at Wolverhampton in the morning as well?

I am using Excel so it is pretty easy to filter by train type, days etc. which gives me the views of each. I am then putting them all into a single SimSig timetable as the basic then I will copy it and remove e.g. everything that is not Monday to create the Monday timetable and then if there are any issues, update the master one and do it again. This way, if there are any global changes later on, I won't need to repeat every change in each timetable.

Are you saying that if I created, e.g. a decision for Monday, one for Tue-Fri and one for Saturday, for example then the user will just get one at random or are you saying that I should link them to the startup choices?

When I start WVs up, there is no day choice so do I need to add decisions if I want them to appear in the startup dialog or does it depend on the sim as to whether the day is offered as a choice?

Are you saying that if I created, e.g. a decision for Monday, one for Tue-Fri and one for Saturday, for example then the user will just get one at random or are you saying that I should link them to the startup choices?

When I start WVs up, there is no day choice so do I need to add decisions if I want them to appear in the startup dialog or does it depend on the sim as to whether the day is offered as a choice?

As Postal notes, for Carlisle the author took it even further and has all 5 days available as 'forced' day of the week.

"The loading for a class 47 to Ironbridge / Buildwas was 27 MGRs and I am pretty sure the exchange sidings alongside the Up Grand Junction line could only take 24 maximum. This meant that a loco from Bescot would arrive on the Down Grand, change ends near the box then crossover into the yard, under the bridge, then over the king points at the colliery end, then back onto a waiting set. When the train was ready it would back out through the crossover onto the Down Main, then draw back through the crossover on the Up Main and proceed towards Bushbury Jn. Empties returning from Ironbridge arrived on the Down Main near the box, then the loco propelled the train through the crossover and round under the bridge. Class 47 detach, colliery loco attach and take them the 3 or so miles down the branch under the M6 through Otherton to the colliery."

"introduction of Class 56s increased loadings to 32 wagons, 58s being the same."

"The Rowntrees chocolate has been previously mentioned as arriving on T21 from Bescot then returning to Bescot with T21 or T22."

We also occasionally had coal traffic for Didcot power station which was always serviced in two portions via Bescot. A trip loco was supposed to convey a 22 and a 23 to Bescot to make up to 45 wagons for the train to Didcot and back. This was a bone of contention between British Coal and the Trainload coal offices in Nottingham because the profit for a freight train is always in the last wagon. Littleton never gave us any 23s so 7V95 2143 Bescot -Didcot tended always to run short formed with 44 wagons instead of 45. Again, when 6M36 returned to Bescot the trai nwas split and sent to Littleton in two portions.