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Block Section Missing ?? 30/03/2011 at 14:48 #2715
JohnMiller
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Playing Worksop 2000era & following the 1st train to Clipstone (6Z40) & noticed there's no block section between Shirebrook & Clipstone, so was that section Track Circuit Block?
Also if Shirebrook Box is actually where the panel is on the Sim how would the signal-person see that a train traveling round the curve from Shirebrook East Jc to Warsop Jc was actually complete, hence being able to give train out of section to Creswell.

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Block Section Missing ?? 30/03/2011 at 14:48 #14582
JohnMiller
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Playing Worksop 2000era & following the 1st train to Clipstone (6Z40) & noticed there's no block section between Shirebrook & Clipstone, so was that section Track Circuit Block?
Also if Shirebrook Box is actually where the panel is on the Sim how would the signal-person see that a train traveling round the curve from Shirebrook East Jc to Warsop Jc was actually complete, hence being able to give train out of section to Creswell.

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Block Section Missing ?? 30/03/2011 at 17:48 #14589
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One wonders if some of the pages on www.signalboxes.com may be of some assistance,
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Block Section Missing ?? 30/03/2011 at 18:14 #14592
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The simulation as depicted shows TCB between Shirebrook and Clipstone Panels, not AB, so no need to see a tail-lamp for OOS to be given.
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Block Section Missing ?? 31/03/2011 at 06:35 #14612
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The issue of seeing the tail lamp of a train ex-Worksop to knock out to Creswell remains though. A tail lamp camera or continuous track circuiting through the section are two possible answers!
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Block Section Missing ?? 08/04/2011 at 10:05 #14892
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Block Shirebrook direction up, started and after cancelled block between Worksop and Creswell, okey. Started block between Creswell and Shirebrook okey, when train is running that zone, cannot to select red dot both blocks points and after to cancel it!...
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Block Section Missing ?? 08/04/2011 at 10:37 #14894
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Charlytos said:
Block Shirebrook direction up, started and after cancelled block between Worksop and Creswell, okey. Started block between Creswell and Shirebrook okey, when train is running that zone, cannot to select red dot both blocks points and after to cancel it!...

I wonder if there is a block control so that the block cannot be released at all after a train has entered the block until track circuit occupation proves that it's left? That would be a tokenless block-like control, a level of protection that's not there in real life (AFAIK). Howard will know.

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Block Section Missing ?? 08/04/2011 at 12:06 #14898
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If I understand right what Carlos is saying then I had the odd isolated incident where I couldn't send train entering section on some of the worksop/cresswell/shirebrook lines. There didn't seem to be any pattern to them, i.e. which line/direction, where train was when attempting to send, etc, so I ignored them as isolated anomalies. The overrides hammered my score though!
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Block Section Missing ?? 08/04/2011 at 13:38 #14901
Charlytos
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Kbarber and GoochyB, thanks by your answers. I think that you don't understand well my question or I didn't put it well written.
Section worksop and cresswell, train running near, both green dots, okey. When train is entering on section, both red dots, okey. When is out section both white dots, okey.
Well, I prepare next section, cresswell to shirebrook, enable both green dots, okey. Train is entering on this section, I want to enable both red dots, but game doesn't let to enable them. After when train has passed the second section, cannot enable the white dots and put them how normal..... Ignore if train must wait final first section and when track is off then enable red dots for second section...

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Block Section Missing ?? 08/04/2011 at 15:08 #14903
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Charlytos said:
Train is entering on this section, I want to enable both red dots, but game doesn't let to enable them. After when train has passed the second section, cannot enable the white dots and put them how normal.....

That is what I understood you to mean Carlos, and is the problem that I had.

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Block Section Missing ?? 08/04/2011 at 16:23 #14904
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kbarber said:
Charlytos said:
Block Shirebrook direction up, started and after cancelled block between Worksop and Creswell, okey. Started block between Creswell and Shirebrook okey, when train is running that zone, cannot to select red dot both blocks points and after to cancel it!...

I wonder if there is a block control so that the block cannot be released at all after a train has entered the block until track circuit occupation proves that it's left? That would be a tokenless block-like control, a level of protection that's not there in real life (AFAIK). Howard will know.
so midland rotary block or sykes lock and block? both require treadle or track circuit occupation to release the instrument to line clear with an emergency overide and blocking back release provided.

also there is a tail lamp camera provided at shirebrook to observe tail lamps as is there one at dinnington so worksop can check SYJR trains ex maltby

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Block Section Missing ?? 08/04/2011 at 16:47 #14906
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I don't understand why game accepted now to enable red dots on shirebrook aerea and before couldn't to make it. Is possible be, because on this moment train was entering on that area and before was out of same. By that reason I could not to enable red dots.
PROBLEM FIXED

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Block Section Missing ?? 11/04/2011 at 11:21 #14966
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jc92 said:
kbarber said:
Charlytos said:
Block Shirebrook direction up, started and after cancelled block between Worksop and Creswell, okey. Started block between Creswell and Shirebrook okey, when train is running that zone, cannot to select red dot both blocks points and after to cancel it!...

I wonder if there is a block control so that the block cannot be released at all after a train has entered the block until track circuit occupation proves that it's left? That would be a tokenless block-like control, a level of protection that's not there in real life (AFAIK). Howard will know.
so midland rotary block or sykes lock and block? both require treadle or track circuit occupation to release the instrument to line clear with an emergency overide and blocking back release provided.

But of course with Rotary you can always break the TOL Release glass (at least if you think you can manufacture a good enough excuse), and SYX has the notorious key. The impression I'd gained was that the release didn't work at all with a train in section, which would definitely have been a new one on me.

But clearly I'd misunderstood the question so neither apply here.

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