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| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 13/12/2022 at 18:04 #149270 | |
headshot119
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Woking 2019-01-09 SX This thread is for discussion of the Woking 2019-01-09 SX timetable. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 14/12/2022 at 00:42 #149293 | |
Phil-jmw
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3Q25 2255 WO Hither Green - Woking UTU is showing max speed 75mph (transit speed) throughout, but, while this is true when it enters at New Malden (UTU-T), it also requires a new train category UTU-R (max speed 30) as it only transits to Pirbright Jn, then records Pirbright Jn - Alton, reverses, then transits to Bentley, records through Bentley Stn, transits to Farnham, then records Farnham - Pirbright Jn, then transits Pirbright Jn - Woking, so requires category changes inserting in its schedule or it will arrive very early back at Woking (not that the crew will complain!). 3Q25 is followed by 3Q28 2213 ThO Woking Up Yd - Reading Triangle Sdgs, which needs adding to this TT and which for the purposes of the Woking sim is transit only as it starts recording from Virginia Water. Timings were:- Woking Up Yd 2213 Woking 22/15 Byfleet & New Haw 22/20 Addlestone Jn 22/21+1/2 Virginia Water 2234 2235 Last edited: 14/12/2022 at 00:43 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 14/12/2022 at 00:49 #149294 | |
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headshot119
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It would probably be useful if you could provide all of the notices for 2019-01-09 to Meld or GeoffM to allow them to be incorporated into the timetable data set. Unfortunately without these it's impossible to know where a train is or isn't recording.
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| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 14/12/2022 at 02:25 #149295 | |
GeoffM
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Thanks Phil. Now I've looked, I've found where it changes in the original CIF file which we'll have to check against manually for future UTUs. Mantis 37278 SimSig Boss Last edited: 14/12/2022 at 02:26 by GeoffM Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 14/12/2022 at 12:16 #149303 | |
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Phil-jmw
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headshot119 in post 149294 said:It would probably be useful if you could provide all of the notices for 2019-01-09 to Meld or GeoffM to allow them to be incorporated into the timetable data set. Unfortunately without these it's impossible to know where a train is or isn't recording.I filter out all the high speed test trains timings as I only work UTU's (too many emails to wade through otherwise), but I do have older timings for UTU's so I will dig them out for 2019-01-09. The high speed trains are not a problem in Simsig as they record at line speed (or max train speed if lower), but UTU's need two train categories to work properly in Simsig, to reflect the much lower max recording speed (30mph), and as you say, know where the category changes take place. A side note re category changes (this may already be known) - I experimented with UTU's I have added into timetables to see whether a train needed to be at a stand for a category change to take effect and the good news is they do not, so category changes can be added to passing times and the train will reduce/increase speed as required without stopping, just as in real life. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: GeoffM, Guts |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 14/12/2022 at 12:19 #149304 | |
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Phil-jmw
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GeoffM in post 149295 said:Thanks Phil. Now I've looked, I've found where it changes in the original CIF file which we'll have to check against manually for future UTUs.Ok Geoff, and as per my reply to Headshot I'll dig out the UTU diagrams/timings for you and Meld. Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 14/12/2022 at 20:55 #149323 | |
i26
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3S83 Due in Alton at 0931 and due out at 0934 but 1A17 has no stops between Farnham and Alton and is meant to arrive at 0938 and the only place for 3S83 to pass is Bentley which it passes at 0941?
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| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 15/12/2022 at 03:09 #149328 | |
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GW43125
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444s, 450s and 707s don't have the "WES" speed class ticked, however all three of these classes are authorised to make use of the higher, 100mph, differential on the Up Fast. Several trains observed maxing out at 90 on this section when they can do 100 in reality. Also, was this an engineering day? 2F02 usually starts at Guildford at 04.20 and only runs to Woking then up the new line when there's engineering works. Otherwise, a very good timetable, with Woking being its usual headache! Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 15/12/2022 at 08:13 #149329 | |
Champs450007
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Yeah I was going to point both points out too our 444/450's can definitely do 100 through Woking, and 2F02 only does Guildford - Woking - Guildford on an engineering work day but seeing as there's a train that comes through Weybridge during that time I guess there wasn't.
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| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 15/12/2022 at 09:20 #149330 | |
Meld
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Overnight posessions on day of TT Item 62 all possessions 0030 to 0515 Weybridge & Woking Jn - UF US & DF Addleston Jn & Byfleet Jn - Up Byfleet Curve Woking - Up Bay (P3) Woking Up Yard - Recep 1/ Neck & Recep 2/ Hurdles Item 63 all possessions 0015 to 0500 Pirbright Jn & Winchfield Jn UF US DF Posession DS Line Blockage between trains Traffic remarks Item 62 2K77 TO BE DIVERTED VIA TWICKENHAM 1B01 TO BE DIVERTED VIA CHERTSEY Item 63 2F02 was on an overlay schedule Tuesday to Friday 2F02 TO BE DIVERTED VIA COBHAM. STOCK FOR 1A03 TO RUN ECS WOKING PLATFORM 2 VIA SURBITON AND BACK TO WOKING PLATFORM 5. STOCK FOR 1S08 TO RUN ECS FROM GUILDFORD PLATFORM 4. BERTHING AVAILABLE IN PLATFORM 3 AT GUILDFORD. PLATFORM 3 KEPT CLEAR AT WOKING. Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 15/12/2022 at 10:40 #149331 | |
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y10g9
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GW43125 in post 149328 said:444s, 450s and 707s don't have the "WES" speed class ticked, however all three of these classes are authorised to make use of the higher, 100mph, differential on the Up Fast. Several trains observed maxing out at 90 on this section when they can do 100 in reality.Mantis 37295 Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 15/12/2022 at 11:28 #149332 | |
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Champs450007
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In that case then 8Y82 shouldn't run because its through Woking at 03/44 along the Up Slow and goes down the Up Byfleet Curve towards Virginia Water at 04/06. Meld in post 149330 said: Overnight posessions on day of TT Last edited: 15/12/2022 at 11:29 by Champs450007 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 15/12/2022 at 12:32 #149335 | |
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Meld
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Champs450007 in post 149332 said:In that case then 8Y82 shouldn't run because its through Woking at 03/44 along the Up Slow and goes down the Up Byfleet Curve towards Virginia Water at 04/06.8Y82 is actually decisioned and should not run more often than not. If it runs frequently let me know and I'll increase the chances of it not running. Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Champs450007 |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 15/12/2022 at 15:40 #149340 | |
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Phil-jmw
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3Q25 2255 Hither Green - Woking UTU is booked to record the Down Bentley Loop (Bentley Pfm.2) on the way to Alton, it records Bentley Pfm.1 on the way back to Woking.
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| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 15/12/2022 at 20:14 #149351 | |
Soton_Speed
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Minor one from a perennial rivet counter - noticed that dwell times are missing for the Colas (Class 3) test train and NWR MPV train types - crews don't like to hang about but...
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| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 15/12/2022 at 20:23 #149352 | |
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headshot119
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Soton_Speed in post 149351 said:Minor one from a perennial rivet counter - noticed that dwell times are missing for the Colas (Class 3) test train and NWR MPV train types - crews don't like to hang about but...Thanks Mantis 37308 "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 15/12/2022 at 20:55 #149353 | |
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GW43125
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Soton_Speed in post 149351 said:Minor one from a perennial rivet counter - noticed that dwell times are missing for the Colas (Class 3) test train and NWR MPV train types - crews don't like to hang about but...Whilst we're at it, the 444+450 combo is also missing dwell times. I note that the join/divide times are unusually low (usually they're about 4 or 5 minutes, if memory serves), but I'm sure there's a reason it's been done like this. Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 16/12/2022 at 08:16 #149368 | |
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swiftaw
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Minor one, but 5A11 says it goes through Bentley on platform 1, I presume it should be platform 2. Edit: Never mind, I forgot you can set the long route through platform 1. Last edited: 16/12/2022 at 08:41 by swiftaw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 16/12/2022 at 09:54 #149370 | |
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Champs450007
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Yeah that dwell time is about right by time the train stops guard opens the doors, the guard makes announcements closes the doors, then the actual detachment itself takes about 60 seconds too once we key on and do what we need to do with the TMS etc. GW43125 in post 149353 said: Soton_Speed in post 149351 said:Minor one from a perennial rivet counter - noticed that dwell times are missing for the Colas (Class 3) test train and NWR MPV train types - crews don't like to hang about but...Whilst we're at it, the 444+450 combo is also missing dwell times. Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 17/12/2022 at 01:48 #149387 | |
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GW43125
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Champs450007 in post 149370 said:Yeah that dwell time is about right by time the train stops guard opens the doors, the guard makes announcements closes the doors, then the actual detachment itself takes about 60 seconds too once we key on and do what we need to do with the TMS etc.Makes sense-on my timetables, I've just lifted the margin straight from the planning rules (hence the 5' or so). Also, I've noticed that 3S84 (22:00 edition) is booked slow line to Hampton Court Jn thence fast, but shows platform 2 at Woking. should this say platform 1 or does it genuinely do a wiggle? Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 17/12/2022 at 02:46 #149388 | |
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GeoffM
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GW43125 in post 149387 said:I've just lifted the margin straight from the planning rules (hence the 5' or so).That figure is the time which includes a contingency allowance. You should use the minimum actual time it should take in real life. One example of this is a former TOC who had published turnaround times for its London terminus of something like 25 minutes which gave them enough time for a full turnover inside (rubbish collection, spot of vacuuming, place seat reservation labels (yes, this is going back a bit), restock buffet). However, if the train was late inbound and was needed to go back out faster then they could do a fast/incomplete clean in 15 minutes. So in this case the TPR says 25 minutes but the value in SimSig should be 15. GW43125 in post 149387 said: Also, I've noticed that 3S84 (22:00 edition) is booked slow line to Hampton Court Jn thence fast, but shows platform 2 at Woking. should this say platform 1 or does it genuinely do a wiggle?We try not to sanitise the data we get from NROD, with the exception of impossible moves over non-existent crossovers, so that wiggle is probably from the original feed. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 06/10/2024 at 17:47 #158769 | |
BenWright
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I noticed that most if not all passenger units except for the 707 have a dwell time of 30 secs but the 707 has a dwell time of 1 minute, is this intentional?
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| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 10/10/2024 at 06:24 #158791 | |
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BenWright
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Another thing to note is 1W87 timetable is set to go through platform 3 at Surbiton but remain on the fasts, causing crazy routing Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 10/10/2024 at 17:39 #158792 | |
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GeoffM
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BenWright in post 158769 said:I noticed that most if not all passenger units except for the 707 have a dwell time of 30 secs but the 707 has a dwell time of 1 minute, is this intentional?Mantis 41523 BenWright in post 158791 said: Another thing to note is 1W87 timetable is set to go through platform 3 at Surbiton but remain on the fasts, causing crazy routingWe don't tend to alter things like this when they come in the base data from NR, unless they're impossible moves. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Woking 2019-01-09 SX 10/10/2024 at 21:41 #158797 | |
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BenWright
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Thanks, strange
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