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Woking FAQ 20/12/2022 at 18:02 #149465
GeoffM
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6376 posts 		9pN1SEAp in post 149459 said:
Driver 1T22 refuses to pass WK146 despite it proven and showing green. A PSAD authority just results in another phone call. USL Walton-on-Thames Starter.

It had previously been given authority to run over SOWC (home) section TARQ.

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Jamie
It had a change of aspect at some point. Ideally need a save *before* the events to see how it got into the state it's in. "Shunt forward" gets the train going again.
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Woking FAQ 21/12/2022 at 16:16 #149491
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495 posts 		GeoffM in post 149409 said:
GW43125 in post 149400 said:
y10g9 in post 149399 said:
GW43125 in post 149396 said:
Routes from either platform at Hampton Court onto the down line (up direction) don't seem to be triggering the auto raise on Hampton Court LC.

I've just tested this and not been able to reproduce. Do you have a save game that exhibits this behaviour please?
In the attached save game, when 1J78 is routed up the down Hampton Court, the level crossing remains lowered after its passage.
We struggled to reproduce this, and I think it's because it is right on the threshold in terms of timing between working and not working - for example, if our trains crossed at 24mph but yours at 25mph. We think we've found the problem anyway - the odd track circuiting does not help.

Mantis 37330.
Further to this, it would make sense for it to be timing as you say, as in the attached save, 3S84 (MPV, only 40m long) didn't trigger the auto raise either on arrival or departure.
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Woking FAQ 30/12/2022 at 20:37 #149810
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166 posts 		Something I find slightly odd - you get a message that a train has entered, sometime earlier than it appears in the APPR box - depending on the line. Shouldn't the TD generally be in the APPR box if the train is entered and not yet in one of my TCs?

Not sure if other sims do this too, but this panel has so many fringes, it stands out
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Woking FAQ 30/12/2022 at 20:42 #149811
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4869 posts 		No, there's a lot of simulations where that isn't the case. The simulation has to go back to the next mandatory timing point off the area for timetabling purposes which is where the entry message is generated, but the actual train describer of the location may not see trains till they are closer to the area.
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Woking FAQ 22/01/2023 at 18:28 #150248
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Woking FAQ 07/02/2023 at 10:52 #150405
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8 posts 		Trains shunting at Weybridge from Platform 3 to Platform 2 via WK1102 require manually reversing even when they are timetabled to reverse at this signal
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Woking FAQ 07/02/2023 at 12:37 #150406
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895 posts 		msouthall20 in post 150405 said:
Trains shunting at Weybridge from Platform 3 to Platform 2 via WK1102 require manually reversing even when they are timetabled to reverse at this signal
Mantis 37964 applies
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Woking FAQ 07/02/2023 at 22:26 #150412
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1180 posts 		Bit of a quirk at Farnham CSD. I misrouted 5N54 towards 445 instead of 803.

When I called them to "Cancel all acceptances", they only replaced the FD820 slot, meaning I could not get permission to send 5N54 again.

However, cancelling the specific acceptance on 5N54 returned the FD803 slot, allowing me to then ask for FD820.

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Jamie
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Woking FAQ 08/02/2023 at 12:49 #150414
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895 posts 		9pN1SEAp in post 150412 said:
Bit of a quirk at Farnham CSD. I misrouted 5N54 towards 445 instead of 803.

When I called them to "Cancel all acceptances", they only replaced the FD820 slot, meaning I could not get permission to send 5N54 again.

However, cancelling the specific acceptance on 5N54 returned the FD803 slot, allowing me to then ask for FD820.

Thanks
Jamie
Mantis 37975 for the shunter only cancelling one not both slots
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Woking FAQ 09/02/2023 at 15:48 #150424
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6376 posts 		Phil-jmw in post 149374 said:
Auto facility does not work on WK428 Sig, Up Alton on approach to Aldershot Station.
Sorry, I missed this before. This is correct, albeit rather unusual, that only the warner route has auto working. Presumably because leaving the main in would cause conflictions ad nauseum with the service pattern and track layout there.
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Woking FAQ 12/02/2023 at 22:57 #150452
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509 posts 		9pN1SEAp in post 149459 said:
Driver 1T22 refuses to pass WK146 despite it proven and showing green. A PSAD authority just results in another phone call. USL Walton-on-Thames Starter.

It had previously been given authority to run over SOWC (home) section TARQ.

Thanks
Jamie
Just out of interest, did this happen when reloading a save? It has just happened to me on another simulation, and my hypothesis is that the train was in the process of passing the signal (or was sitting at the signal and about to report in) immediately before the simulation was saved, and so when it is reloaded it sees the red signal on loading for an instant and gets confused. Mine also occurred after the train was 'talked through' a TCF, but is now sitting at a clear signal. As with you, using F2 to 'shunt forward' gets it going again.

I have attached a save (Doncaster North) just in case it's helpful for the developers, but it'll undoubtedly be in the same state as 9qN1SEAp's submitted save. The previous save is too early for it to be useful (sorry).

Mark.
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Woking FAQ 13/02/2023 at 09:05 #150453
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1180 posts 		Hi Mark,

Just checked from previous saves; 1T22 was at Weybridge at the time the sim was loaded, the TCF hasn't happened at that point and WK146 was proved off.

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Jamie
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Woking FAQ 03/03/2023 at 19:21 #150723
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8 posts 		I’ve noticed that the slot to go into Farnham reception line is labelled as FD803. This slot is actually FD830. The signal to go into the depot is FD803.
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Woking FAQ 03/03/2023 at 20:01 #150724
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316 posts 		There seems to be no valid paths from Woking Platform 1 or 2 to WK2108 the GPLS on the Down Fast. Only valid paths are from 4, 5 or 6
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Woking FAQ 03/03/2023 at 20:02 #150725
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6376 posts 		msouthall20 in post 150723 said:
I’ve noticed that the slot to go into Farnham reception line is labelled as FD803. This slot is actually FD830. The signal to go into the depot is FD803.
Mantis 38231

Thanks. I remember changing that to the wrong value during development, on the assumption that I'd transposed two digits. From panel photos I can see I was right the first time!
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Woking FAQ 03/03/2023 at 20:04 #150726
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6376 posts 		madaboutrains in post 150724 said:
There seems to be no valid paths from Woking Platform 1 or 2 to WK2108 the GPLS on the Down Fast. Only valid paths are from 4, 5 or 6

Mantis 38232
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Woking FAQ 05/03/2023 at 22:29 #150743
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4 posts 		I'm sorry if this has been mentioned already. I have created a modern timetable for Woking and I've found there is no way of signalling a train from Farnham station into the reception road without getting a slot into the depot. Which, when I'm simulating the Guildford to Farnham shuttle, it is not what I want to happen, I want the train to sit in the reception road, so it can reverse and stay in the sim. Is this a bug or something that hasn't been implemented? If it hasn't been implemented, it would be really useful to have it.
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Woking FAQ 06/03/2023 at 02:59 #150744
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6376 posts 		TJenkin in post 150743 said:
I'm sorry if this has been mentioned already. I have created a modern timetable for Woking and I've found there is no way of signalling a train from Farnham station into the reception road without getting a slot into the depot. Which, when I'm simulating the Guildford to Farnham shuttle, it is not what I want to happen, I want the train to sit in the reception road, so it can reverse and stay in the sim. Is this a bug or something that hasn't been implemented? If it hasn't been implemented, it would be really useful to have it.
Yes, there's a thread on it already, plus a correction to its number mentioned in this thread.
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Woking FAQ 06/03/2023 at 19:56 #150746
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495 posts 		Setting a route from WK169 to WK373 (platform 4) via 2213 points results in free greens. As this is a 40mph crossover on an otherwise 90mph line, should there be some form of approach control on this route? The route from WK167 to WK371 via 2203 points produces the correct flashing sequence.
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Woking FAQ 06/03/2023 at 20:10 #150747
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895 posts 		GW43125 in post 150746 said:
Setting a route from WK169 to WK373 (platform 4) via 2213 points results in free greens. As this is a 40mph crossover on an otherwise 90mph line, should there be some form of approach control on this route? The route from WK167 to WK371 via 2203 points produces the correct flashing sequence.
Hmmm, does seem odd. have raised as Mantis 38240 for GeoffM
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Woking FAQ 01/06/2023 at 16:35 #152018
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316 posts 		Is this a valid sequence with WK371 at Red?
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Woking FAQ 01/06/2023 at 19:36 #152019
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1607 posts 		WK371 is a drawing up signal; so funky aspect conditions aren't exactly surprising.

The sim seems to want WK373 at YY or G, or approach control satisfied, before WK371 clears. Taken with a massive pinch of salt as it's not a verified source of signal indications, but a brief stint of observing the Woking area on the open data feeds would suggest this is correct behaviour.
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Woking FAQ 01/06/2023 at 21:00 #152021
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6376 posts 		We've re-checked the control tables and believe the behaviour is correct. As James said, it's a bit complex, and it may also have something to do with read-across controls.
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Woking FAQ 03/06/2023 at 19:21 #152059
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97 posts 		Can confirm that this is the correct sequence if the route is set while the train is at Woking and WK375 clears once we've passed the AWS magnet.
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