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Crewe SX 08 04 2015 22/04/2023 at 22:52 #151395
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it does not appear possible to route from the UFI signal NH10 to Up Arrival 2 . Is this a bug ? I cannot see the restriction in the manual
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Crewe SX 08 04 2015 22/04/2023 at 23:28 #151397
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Diesel Rider in post 151394 said:
4m89 as it his signal SG13 non described train in berth. Also 6m02 if you request slot for signal NH17 SSN as coming from harlescott crossing it flashes to accept but never goes solid white. Works perfrectly the other direction.

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4M89 non-described I suspect you are setting routes from the main signals to the white shunt arrows. These routes don't have associated describer steps and the TD is working as designed. I cannot reproduce the behaviour if I signal a train normally from signal to signal.

The Slots at NH17/GL7 are for working wrong direction. You "RQST" the slot at one end and "ACCP" the slot at the other. Standalone I cannot fault this behaviour - both directions are requesting when requested and accepting when accepted. With Internal AB disabled on startup I'd expect those buttons to not do anything at all; which appears to be the case.

slatteryc in post 151395 said:
it does not appear possible to route from the UFI signal NH10 to Up Arrival 2 . Is this a bug ? I cannot see the restriction in the manual
Indeed it isn't possible, the track layout doesn't allow NH10 to Up Arr #2

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Crewe SX 08 04 2015 23/04/2023 at 07:50 #151401
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It's not a possible route. NH10 has 3 routes, Up Independent, Up Through siding, or NH24, then NH24 goes to either Loop or Arrival 1. You need to be at NH12 to get to Arrival 2.

In reality, the end of the loop and arrivals roads have 3 stopboards, down by the middle end cabin. The stopboard on Arrival 2 has been moved further south, so that longer trains can be sent down here and not block the foot crossing outside SSN box. These SB's don't feature on the sim as are PIC controlled within the yard.

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Crewe SX 08 04 2015 26/04/2023 at 18:38 #151521
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3Q26 and 3Q80 are Network Rail Ultrasonic Test Units (UTU's), which are subject to maximum transit speed of 75mph, but the TT entries for both has them incorrectly shown as 90mph. 3Q21, 3Q83 and 3Q84 entries all show the correct max sped 75mph.
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Crewe SX 08 04 2015 26/04/2023 at 21:01 #151522
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Phil-jmw in post 151521 said:
3Q26 and 3Q80 are Network Rail Ultrasonic Test Units (UTU's), which are subject to maximum transit speed of 75mph, but the TT entries for both has them incorrectly shown as 90mph. 3Q21, 3Q83 and 3Q84 entries all show the correct max sped 75mph.
Mantis 38546 for the max speed of the UTUs
Mantis 38547 to check the other UTU train types in the data set

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Crewe SX 08 04 2015 27/04/2023 at 13:01 #151528
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one comment as I play through this - its difficult to guess what type of train it is from the headboard alone

this seems to be very different to the other WCML sims

e.g. 1FXX I have no idea whether its a stopper from Crewe to Lime street or a pendolino . Same for all the 1XXX and 9XXX . The other prefixes are fine though.

causing me no end of pain watching stuff flash up on the down fast and having to deal with it immediately ( is this the same on the real panel ? )

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Crewe SX 08 04 2015 27/04/2023 at 13:29 #151529
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slatteryc in post 151528 said:
one comment as I play through this - its difficult to guess what type of train it is from the headboard alone

this seems to be very different to the other WCML sims

e.g. 1FXX I have no idea whether its a stopper from Crewe to Lime street or a pendolino . Same for all the 1XXX and 9XXX . The other prefixes are fine though.

causing me no end of pain watching stuff flash up on the down fast and having to deal with it immediately ( is this the same on the real panel ? )
Checking RTT for today, the VT are the lower numbered 1Fxx's and the LM higher - split is 1F40.
1Sxx / 9Sxx, 1Mxx / 9Mxx are designated for trains via Trent Valley or via Birmingham, so not relevant to Crewe although most 1Sxx and 1Mxx are non-stop.

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Crewe SX 08 04 2015 27/04/2023 at 15:23 #151539
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slatteryc in post 151528 said:
one comment as I play through this - its difficult to guess what type of train it is from the headboard alone

this seems to be very different to the other WCML sims

e.g. 1FXX I have no idea whether its a stopper from Crewe to Lime street or a pendolino . Same for all the 1XXX and 9XXX . The other prefixes are fine though.

causing me no end of pain watching stuff flash up on the down fast and having to deal with it immediately ( is this the same on the real panel ? )
I've added a section to the manual on the page for the 08/04/2015 timetable with a general guide to the headcodes. Link here. I've tried to highlight any quirks in the number ranges as well but I can't guarantee that I got them all. Hopefully that's of use to you and others.

EDIT to add

No one should feel any shame for wrong routing 1F00 at Weaver Junction, I don't know anyone who tested Crewe that pointed it the right way the first time around, it's an incredibly naughty headcode!

"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
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Crewe SX 08 04 2015 27/04/2023 at 18:23 #151550
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Same with some of the Fiddlers Ferry coal trains. See 'F', route Runcorn, receive phone call
There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway.
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