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| ME776 10/12/2023 at 09:23 #154675 | |
oliverblake
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In game, when trying to interpose at ME776 GPL, the headcode appears at ME379 signal at Wendover. However, this is not the case on the actual panel (see screenshot attached). Thanks, Oliver  Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| ME776 10/12/2023 at 10:20 #154677 | |
jc92
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That looks like CCF which may display berth locations differently to the actual panel for various reasons. It certainly shows the signal in a different location. Workstation as at 2007: https://photos.signalling.org/picture?/6146/category/1551-2007_december "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| ME776 10/12/2023 at 11:56 #154680 | |
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oliverblake
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Attached is my photo as of October 2023, and it appears that they have moved the position of it since they upgraded the panels at the IECC. However, given the system used now is newer, I presume the SimSig version may have been correct when westcad systems were used. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| ME776 10/12/2023 at 14:31 #154685 | |
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TUT
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oliverblake in post 154680 said:Attached is my photo as of October 2023, and it appears that they have moved the position of it since they upgraded the panels at the IECC. However, given the system used now is newer, I presume the SimSig version may have been correct when westcad systems were used.Not Westcad, IECC Classic. You're obviously right though it doesn't look like that anymore, it uses IECC Scalable now, as it's called. The signal has not been moved, at least not as much as you would think, it's where it always was, at the London end of Great Missenden station. The platform is drawn in a slightly strange place in the original IECC Classic diagram, I don't really know why, although I think potentially the crossover and signal may have both moved towards London slightly. I think perhaps they did use to be within the length of the platform which would explain the original diagram as the style was to use those very small platform symbols for more minor stations and their sheer small size makes it look like the GPL was outside the platform at the country end which it certainly wasn't. Your pics don't prove there's a TD berth at 776 GPL though although I suspect there probably is now if CCF shows it like that, but it would not be at all unusual for the berth to be at 379, where it almost certainly was when the Sim was made. Log in to reply |
| ME776 10/12/2023 at 18:50 #154691 | |
GeoffM
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Can confirm that during IECC days when the sim was released there was no separate TD berth for ME776. The picture in the first post is from SignalMaps which is not exactly concrete proof of anything, especially as some of these websites don't understand the concept of dual address berths (no opinion on whether SignalMaps does or doesn't). SimSig Boss Log in to reply The following user said thank you: oliverblake |
| ME776 10/12/2023 at 21:03 #154694 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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Those points were converted from Clamplock to HW2000 at some point so it’s conceivable they were moved then. This pin is virtually on top of the signal in its present position. https://maps.app.goo.gl/1kxpyFZb5urfcksn8?g_st=ic Log in to reply |
| ME776 10/12/2023 at 21:34 #154695 | |
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TUT
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I had a bit of a look and while the crossover was within the platforms in happier days https://www.flickr.com/photos/15038/7215062598/ I don't think it ever was when ME776 was there https://www.flickr.com/photos/camperdown/6347618666/ Must just be a quirk of the diagram, they've been known to be not strictly accurate in every respect. Log in to reply |
| ME776 11/12/2023 at 03:27 #154698 | |
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GeoffM
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Google Earth shows the crossover south of the station (ie current position) in 2006. The next earlier dates are both in 2003 and are pretty low quality, but don't appear to show the crossover south of the station. But I'm not convinced it's visible within the station either! However, there are large objects on both tracks, a hint of a crossover rail in one of the platforms, and lots of fresh ballast extending just to the north of the old crossover to just south of the new crossover so I suspect, therefore, that these were the works to move the crossover (Dec 2003). I would not be surprised if the IECC screens were not updated just for a relatively trivial and almost inconsequential move. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| ME776 11/12/2023 at 12:23 #154700 | |
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TUT
545 posts |
The original 1990 signalling notice does actually seem to show the crossover in the station https://www.s-r-s.org.uk/pullfree.asp?FilePath=ArchiveSignals\Downloads\brwr&FileName=1990-39.pdf It also shows the GPL as per the IECC display but I would not deduce from that it was outside the station, it would have been at the crossover, it's just the schematic nature of the diagram. Log in to reply |
| ME776 11/12/2023 at 14:36 #154701 | |
wellgroomed
110 posts |
The crossover and GPL were indeed moved from the station platform to beyond it. I can't recall exactly when without having the data in front of me, but I *think* it was around the time the signal box was removed. Log in to reply |