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| Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 22/06/2011 at 09:41 #3270 | |
Mickster66
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Running through the simulation I have noticed an error on a couple of signals in the Scunthorpe area. S365 (first Down signal after Appleby) and S334 (Up Main Scunthorpe station are depicted on the sim as being 3 aspect signals when in reality they are 4 aspect signals.
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| Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 22/06/2011 at 09:41 #16849 | |
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Mickster66
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Running through the simulation I have noticed an error on a couple of signals in the Scunthorpe area. S365 (first Down signal after Appleby) and S334 (Up Main Scunthorpe station are depicted on the sim as being 3 aspect signals when in reality they are 4 aspect signals.
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| Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 22/06/2011 at 10:29 #16857 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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According to my diagrams of the area, S334 is a 3 aspect controlled signal. Scunners appears to be a bit of a mixture between 3 and 4 aspects though.
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| Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 22/06/2011 at 12:26 #16864 | |
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Night Man
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If S334 is the one on the platform end at Scunny it is definitely 4 aspect.
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| Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 22/06/2011 at 13:42 #16868 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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Night Man said:If S334 is the one on the platform end at Scunny it is definitely 4 aspect. There is one 4 aspect (S331) on the platform on the Down Main. There are two signals (S334 & S239) (bidirectional) on the platform on the Up Main which are both 3 aspect. Log in to reply |
| Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 22/06/2011 at 14:52 #16873 | |
postal
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Shots of S334 and S329 taken on 29th. March this year. S334 S329
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| Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 22/06/2011 at 16:07 #16878 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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Given that by your photo, Postal, and my diagrams both agree that S329 is a 3 aspect, I'm pretty sure that S334 is a 3 aspect as well.
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| Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 22/06/2011 at 16:14 #16879 | |
jc92
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i would say that 329 is a filament lamp 3A signal while 334 appears to be a LED 4A signal. edit: my diagram also shows them to be 3A but i guess things can change "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 22/06/2011 at 16:43 #16882 | |
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Late Turn
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I agree - I'm sure S334, pre-LED, was clearly a 4-aspect signal.
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| Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 22/06/2011 at 18:25 #16884 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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I've scoured Google for images, and can only find it showing G,Y&R. I agree it seems unlikely to fit a head capable of showing 4 aspects and using it as a 3 aspect sig, but it has happened before.
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| Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 23/06/2011 at 12:18 #16908 | |
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Lardybiker
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My diagrams show both signals as 3-aspect as well. I can see it makes no sense for S334 to be 3-aspect as it has 4-aspect signals both in advance and in rear of it. S365 is slightly different as it's the first Scunthorpe signal from after Appleby. The previous signal A4 is a 3-aspect and the signal after is 4-aspect (S363). However, bear in mind also the sim is built with the signalling as it was before the re-sig at Appleby and Elsham when the crossings were updated.
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| Re: Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 16/07/2011 at 07:54 #17781 | |
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Mickster66
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I have repeatedly remarked that I have worked in and through the Scunthorpe area for over 30 years, so I am well qualified to make reference to the extant signals in the area - and to the various moves capable of being made therein. I will not alter from my stance that both signals S334 and S365 were and still are capable of displaying 4 aspects, although in recent years these may bave had the old filament heads replaced with the fibre-optic type. However, in the case of S334, the photo shown in an earlier posting clearly shows that it is a twin-lens fibre optic type capable of 4 aspects. I am somewhat confused as to the relevance of Appleby's A4 signal as to S365. It is true that A4 is a 3 aspect head, but this has no bearing on how many aspects S365 has. There are numerous occasions throughout the country where previous signals to 4 aspects have been 3 aspects. Suffice it to say that S365 is and always has been 4 aspect. Log in to reply |
| Re: Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 16/07/2011 at 08:38 #17786 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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My diagrams show both 334 and 365 as three-aspect signals only. If they are not then someone needs to write to Network Rail and Volker Rail to tell then they're actually 4 aspect!
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| Re: Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 16/07/2011 at 10:48 #17794 | |
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postal
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"Someone" is always the busiest person in the team but very rarely gets anything done.
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| Re: Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 16/07/2011 at 13:17 #17799 | |
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Lardybiker
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The sim was made to the data I had. However, both signals were changed some time ago to be as you stated.
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| Re: Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 26/07/2011 at 20:27 #18402 | |
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Lardybiker
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Mickster, I was given more data at the meet and they all showed the signal at Scunny station as a three aspect which is most weird. So I have 4 or 5 pieces of data that all show it as a three aspect. Most weird. The last is data as far as I can tell is from '06. Do you know when that signal was swapped for the LED type it is now?
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| Re: Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 27/07/2011 at 01:19 #18409 | |
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Night Man
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It would have been about 3-4 years ago when the LED head was put on S334 I think, although they are only replacement heads. The signal has always been 4 aspect as long as I can remember. I have a plan at home from when the box first opened, i'll have a look later to see what it is shown as on there out of interest.
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| Re: Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 28/07/2011 at 03:04 #18504 | |
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Night Man
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The resignalling notice from 1973 when the mechanical boxes covering the station area to Appleby were resignalled shows S334 as a 4 aspect.
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| Re: Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 28/07/2011 at 19:40 #18565 | |
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Mickster66
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If both those signal were 3 aspect, then where the heck have I been driving? I was based at Scunthorpe from 1974 to 1981 and fromm 1981 til 2007 at Immingham - on the footplate. Throughout all that time, these signals have both been capable of displaying 4 aspects!
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| Re: Signal Aspects Scunthorpe 28/07/2011 at 20:56 #18581 | |
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Lardybiker
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Both signals were updated and the test version used at the meet had them correctly as 4-aspects was originally pointed out.
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