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| Re: Westbury V2.227 30/08/2011 at 07:58 #20367 | |
AndyG
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" said:....and only occupying that Track Circuit (which is either TCUJ or TCUJKL - when clicking on it, it comes up as TCUJ but that doesn't show as occupied via F11, but TCUJKL does?!!).....I would presume that TCs UJ,UK & UL are sub-TCs of combined TC UJKL. Then UJKL will show occ when any of the 3 sub-Tcs are occ. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: bossman |
| Re: Westbury V2.227 30/08/2011 at 10:47 #20374 | |
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broodje
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Yep, as far as I can remember most of the long sections consist of multiple Sub TC's. These sections contain multiple TC's in real life too. I believe this has to do with the detection of trains on these long stretches of track.
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| Re: Westbury V2.227 31/08/2011 at 18:57 #20448 | |
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jrr
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I've had the UT6 problem a couple or three times. Now another odd occurrence. Timetable Westbury Summer 2007.2.225.2. I have 2K84 at Midgham with red signal RC102 because RC104 has signal failure (lamp out). Gave permission to pass signal at danger. Next thing I know driver is complaining of an adverse change of signal RC102 and on the phone to control. ???? This is after successfully talking several preceeding trains through. Nothing else in the area. Last edited: 31/08/2011 at 19:12 by jrr Log in to reply |
| Re: Westbury V2.227 31/08/2011 at 19:27 #20452 | |
postal
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You can get an ACoA in those circumstances depending on which aspect is missing from the failed signal. For example, if a Y is missing, after a train passes, the signal will show R - unlit (YY) if 4 aspect - unlit (Y) and then G. The signal approaching the failed signal will then show Y - R - R - G as the failed signal works through the aspects. If a train is approaching this working signal as it shows Y, the driver could well have an ACoA as the signal drops back to red in his face as the previous train moves three sections ahead. If the signals are controlled rather than auto you can avoid this by careful route-setting.
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| Re: Westbury V2.227 31/08/2011 at 19:41 #20454 | |
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jrr
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I understand what you're saying, but there was no train immediately ahead - i.e. until well after Newbury, so the signals ahead could not have changed. The panel was showing a red at Midgham preceded by yellow until 2K84 passed the yellow. Jrr Last edited: 31/08/2011 at 19:41 by jrr Log in to reply |
| Re: Westbury V2.227 31/08/2011 at 21:48 #20458 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Going onwards with timetable Westbury Summer 2007.2.225.2. Time is currently 09:27 and I've got train 1O32 just departed Trowbridge on the Up Line yet Signal SUT6 is at red. The route is set over Hawkeridge Junction for said train. At around 09:25 I got a call from 6B652 as I had accidentally wrong routed towards Thingley Junction instead of Bathampton Junction. I don't know exactly when the signal reverted to red, as far as I'm aware it was always showing a proceed aspect. The route from Signal S90 is set and on auto. S190R is showing green. S94 is YY. S96 is Y. S98 is not yet set. Tried many things to revert the problematic signal to a proceed aspect but no luck so far. Will now save and reload to see if it clears the problem. A save will be taken before doing this in-case needed. UPDATE: Saved and reloaded, signal didn't initially clear, then at 09:29 it cleared straight to G but 1O28 seems to have stopped briefly as it is currently doing less than 10mph. ?!! Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Last edited: 31/08/2011 at 21:52 by UKTrainMan Reason: adding update Log in to reply |
| Re: Westbury V2.227 01/09/2011 at 04:37 #20459 | |
Peter Bennet
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" said:Going onwards with timetable Westbury Summer 2007.2.225.2.Is this all about UT6 or some other signal? If UT6 then that was resolved back around post 30. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Re: Westbury V2.227 01/09/2011 at 18:35 #20473 | |
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UKTrainMan
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" said:" said:Ahh..... my bad - but not sure it helps when right-clicking on the signal identifies it at "UT6" but clicking on it via F11 identifies it as "SUT6". Oddly enough I haven't had any ACOAs from that signal?Going onwards with timetable Westbury Summer 2007.2.225.2.Is this all about UT6 or some other signal? If UT6 then that was resolved back around post 30. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Last edited: 01/09/2011 at 23:23 by UKTrainMan Log in to reply |
| Re: Westbury V2.227 01/09/2011 at 23:26 #20494 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Setting a route from 704/S704 to 104/S104 seems to give the route an overlap - requiring it to be clear before 704/S704 will clear. 704/S704 is a shunt signal, so surely the route shouldn't involve an overlap beyond signal 104/S104?!
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| Re: Westbury V2.227 02/09/2011 at 04:47 #20495 | |
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Peter Bennet
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" said:Setting a route from 704/S704 to 104/S104 seems to give the route an overlap - requiring it to be clear before 704/S704 will clear. 704/S704 is a shunt signal, so surely the route shouldn't involve an overlap beyond signal 104/S104?!You don't need to refer to 704/S704 just 704 or S704 will suffice. Original Author coded 104 with a shunt overlap- so I guess there was a reason. Shunt signal themselves can have overlaps and there is no reason why a exit from a shunt route can't. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Re: Westbury V2.227 02/09/2011 at 21:16 #20521 | |
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Quizman
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2M79/2v10 Westbury Summer 2007.2.225.2 2M79 joins 2V10 at Westbury P2 which causes overlap at sig311. Get message that 2V10 has finished joining and I wait for fone call for permission to proceed. No fone call, 2V10 decides its off we jolly well go and disappears wrong line to Hawkeridge Jn. Stopped the sim and tried again this time anticipating the move and setting points and sure enough off it goes without a bye your leave. Very rude (and dangerous). Just me or anyone else experienced this? 
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| Re: Westbury V2.227 02/09/2011 at 21:25 #20522 | |
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TomOF
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It must be too long to fit in the platform. It won't ask for permission to proceed because it's already beyond the signal and will simply depart.
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| Re: Westbury V2.227 02/09/2011 at 22:14 #20525 | |
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UKTrainMan
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I've already 'dealt with' this join but don't recall any problems with it. User error somewhere along the line*? Shall try and go back through my saves and try it again to see how it goes a second time around. * = No pun intended, but what the heck make one out of it if ya want! Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Re: Westbury V2.227 02/09/2011 at 22:31 #20526 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Done and had no problem. 2V10 runs a tad early - Fairwood Jn 8 up - and so held it outside the station as it's arrival time was 07:08[sup]1/2[/sup] and routed 2M79 into the booked platform (Platform 2) where it arrived 5 early (due in 07:07) then waited for route to be available to route 2V10 into the same platform. Join occurred at 07:06 and TRTS received at 07:16. Suspect you let 2V10 in first which probably caused your problem. Perhaps 2V10 needs a Near end stop or times need adjusting? edited to add Have now tested 2V10 with a Near end stop and can confirm that works fine if it arrives before 2M79. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Last edited: 02/09/2011 at 22:48 by UKTrainMan Log in to reply |
| Re: Westbury V2.227 03/09/2011 at 00:40 #20527 | |
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Quizman
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Suspect you let 2V10 in first which probably caused your problem. Perhaps 2V10 needs a Near end stop or times need adjusting? edited to add Have now tested 2V10 with a Near end stop and can confirm that works fine if it arrives before 2M79.[/quote] Absolutely correct, tried exactly same thing and works correctly. Adjusted ttable. Cheers Log in to reply |
| Re: Westbury V2.227 03/09/2011 at 10:25 #20537 | |
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officer dibble
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Belated thanks (just got my internet working again) for both Westbury and SwinDid  Now to dust off those lovely 1990 WTTs I have for the WR :cheer: When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A Log in to reply |
| Re: Westbury V2.227 05/09/2011 at 00:58 #20599 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Time is 20:26. Timetable is Westbury Summer 2007.2.225.2. I've got 7V481 solely occupying Track Circuit TFUP / approaching Signal S305 - currently doing 40mph. Right-clicked on the headcode to select 'Interpose' to copy the headcode for the purpose of calling Westbury Down Yard for permission. Accidentally selected 'Cancel' and upon doing so it removes the headcode as expected but then leaves a sort of 'gap' in the track circuit occupation. Basically, you get a bit of red, some white (where the headcode was) and then the rest red. Odd behaviour not seen before so wondering if this is a bug (or perhaps a weird new feature)?  With headcode Without headcode
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| Re: Westbury V2.227 05/09/2011 at 04:52 #20601 | |
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Peter Bennet
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" said:Time is 20:26.It's something that can be fixed but normally not an issue till you remove the TD. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Last edited: 05/09/2011 at 04:55 by Peter Bennet Log in to reply |
| Re: Westbury V2.227 05/09/2011 at 06:01 #20603 | |
GeoffM
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" said:" said:Expanding slightly, it's a data error where the displayed track consists of two or more shorter tracks and the berth is associated with the wrong one. It only affects the display.Time is 20:26.It's something that can be fixed but normally not an issue till you remove the TD. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Re: Westbury V2.227 05/09/2011 at 11:47 #20611 | |
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broodje
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Yep, should have coupled the berth to the combined TC, it is now connected to the underlying shorter TC.
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| Re: Westbury V2.227 07/09/2011 at 10:59 #20677 | |
58050
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I've just started playing this re-released version of Westbury for the 1st time today. I'm curious as to the train composition & length of 1C99 2345 FGW London Paddington - Penzance sleeper. According to 'F2' & also the train details in 'F4' for this train it shows the length of the train as 79m. That said & the length of the Cl.57 loco being 19m(rounded off to nearest whole number) would mean that the coaches would be a length of 60m. A Mk.3 sleeper is 75ft long or in meters would be approx 22.73m, rounded up would be 23m for arguements sake. Are we saying then that the 'Night Riveria' conveys only 3 coaches these days? If so I find that quite amazing especially when looking through the 3 station working books for London Paddington the one dated 1988-89 shows the train having 11 coaches & the 1989-1990 one & the 1991 edition shows it conveying 12 coaches. I know those days were in the dim & distant past, but when I finished on the railways at the end of 2005 the 'Scotrail' sleeper from Euston to Inverness & Aberdeen etc still conveyed about 12 vehicles on it. If this is a true reflection of what the 'Night Riveria' has come too in the timetable supplied with the re-released version of Westbury, then I find this exetremely sad & how much longer will it run before they knock that on its head. A loco with just 3 vehicles & I suspect one is a brake, the other an open coach & just one sleeping car!!!! Or is the legth of the train in the timetable incorrect? Would be interested in anyone who has viewed the Padd - Penzance - Padd sleeper recently can confirm. Last time I travelled on it was in 1985 from Newton Abbot to Paddington via Westbury. Train arrived at Newton Abbot with a Cl.50 on the front & was piloted over the South Devon banks by 31404, which was removed at Exeter St. Davids. Come back all is forgiven.
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| Re: Westbury V2.227 07/09/2011 at 11:32 #20678 | |
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GeoffM
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It has a 350 timing load which would make it (up to) 10 carriages. However, Wikipedia says there is only a fleet size of 18 carriages (=9 per train).
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| Re: Westbury V2.227 07/09/2011 at 11:39 #20679 | |
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58050
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Well thanks for that Geoff, obviously a length error in the timetable. I've been going through my collection of 'Traction' & other railway magazines to see if I could come across a more recent photo of the train. 9 coaches makes more sense to me though. Jad me worried there for a bit, couldn't imagine that train only conveying 3 coaches. In respect of the sim itself, it certainly looks & feels much betetr with all the little additions like ringing for aceptance of trains & the barrow xing at the east end of the station. Good work to all those involved.
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| Re: Westbury V2.227 07/09/2011 at 11:56 #20680 | |
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postal
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There is an image on the Railway Herald website (here) dated 07/06/2011 and a video clip on You Tube (go here and search for "57605 on 1C99 (Sleeper) @ St Erth 17/8/11" both of which show 57 605 on 1C99 consisting of 7 vehicles (3 day vehicles at the head and 4 sleepers on the rear).
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| Re: Westbury V2.227 07/09/2011 at 12:18 #20681 | |
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broodje
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Yes, thank you I've made a mistake, that is obvious now. No need to get 6 posts with evidence that it should be 9 coaches long. You're free to change it to the correct length. I think I made the mistake because the night train was one of the first trains I created for the timetable. At first I did not really understand the timing load numbers, hence I made some mistakes there. I wouldn't be surprised if I also made some wrong assumptions with the class 4 and 6 freight trains. (although the daily mammoth Foster Yeoman train to Theale should be the correct length, I remember looking at some pictures and video's of it to calculate the lenght) Log in to reply |