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3.238 Sim Questions 04/12/2012 at 23:22 #38716
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It appears when chaining NEScot to Edinburgh that you are unable to send trains from NEScot to Edinburgh.
However this has happened one time out of the three times of trying........

Can you also tell me the path from ZSEEDX to Edinburgh Waverley as it is no longer accepting these paths.

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3.238 Sim Questions 05/12/2012 at 06:33 #38724
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Zseed is no longer required, you can seed at any signal, tick the box by the entry point in the editor and pick a signal (or platform). For ARS sims it's best to then start the timetable from a location prior to the seeding signal. The platform is actually the exit arrow renamed so the train starts as an arrival as it were. Suggest you have a look at the supplied timetable.

Possible requires a WIKI topic.

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3.238 Sim Questions 05/12/2012 at 09:17 #38726
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Zseed is no longer required, you can seed at any signal, tick the box by the entry point in the editor and pick a signal (or platform). For ARS sims it's best to then start the timetable from a location prior to the seeding signal. The platform is actually the exit arrow renamed so the train starts as an arrival as it were. Suggest you have a look at the supplied timetable.

Possible requires a WIKI topic.

Peter
do the original seed locations still exist? from a compatability point of view, all previously written timetables will use those seed points until amended (if the author chooses to do so)

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3.238 Sim Questions 05/12/2012 at 12:30 #38735
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Zseed is no longer required, you can seed at any signal, tick the box by the entry point in the editor and pick a signal (or platform). For ARS sims it's best to then start the timetable from a location prior to the seeding signal. The platform is actually the exit arrow renamed so the train starts as an arrival as it were. Suggest you have a look at the supplied timetable.

Possible requires a WIKI topic.

Peter
do the original seed locations still exist? from a compatability point of view, all previously written timetables will use those seed points until amended (if the author chooses to do so)
Good question - No, they were removed. I understand Bill has a set of revised timetables which he intends to upload at some point. Others will need to be revised.

I think we have previously established that provided the relevant credits are given then others can tweak existing timetables in these circumstances.

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3.238 Sim Questions 05/12/2012 at 21:32 #38756
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Possible requires a WIKI topic.

Peter
Looks like I started one but did not finish - I'm never sure whether to write something before it's available or whether that just confuses the issue with the then current stuff. Working on it now.

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3.238 Sim Questions 06/12/2012 at 23:03 #38836
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" said:
It appears when chaining NEScot to Edinburgh that you are unable to send trains from NEScot to Edinburgh.
However this has happened one time out of the three times of trying........
Tested and can't reproduce.

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3.238 Sim Questions 15/12/2012 at 19:46 #39249
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ED815 ground signal at Dundar will still not clear to allow light engine to attach to train in up loop after run-around. This is a continueing fault from the previous version which has not been corrected.
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3.238 Sim Questions 15/12/2012 at 20:07 #39250
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ED815 ground signal at Dundar will still not clear to allow light engine to attach to train in up loop after run-around. This is a continueing fault from the previous version which has not been corrected.
It is not a fault so no correction is needed. The same thing first caught me out when I was trying to run round a train on the Down Cowdenbeath at Redford Jn. Adjacent to the signal at the end of the path is a red circle with an orange "T" beside it. This is the track circuit release button; using this button allows a route to be set into the section which is already occupied.

For those who can't be bothered to RTFM, the instructions for Duty 1 specifically includes:

"TC over-ride buttons for Permissive working at Dunbar and Grantshouse."

with a link to explain the TC over-ride buttons. The explanation reads:

" This is a safeguard found in some boxes for use when signalling a train onto occupied track. It requires the signaller to confirm the route by the pulling of an additional button that will clear the approach signal.

The route is set as normal onto the occupied track, then triggering the override by clicking on the override button. In most cases, including SimSig, this is represented by a red circle which turns into a full red roundel when pressed.

It auto resets once the train passes the entrance signal. "

Hope that helps.

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3.238 Sim Questions 15/12/2012 at 20:24 #39251
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OK thanks for that...teach me to read the new rules in the wiki....

Couple more faults I think..

0B31 will not attach to 7B31-A in the loop at Redford Jn after runaround.

Odd problem at Hilton Jn. Trains entering can leave their descriptions behind causing a COA in front of the following train which is off screen and waiting to enter the single line.

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3.238 Sim Questions 16/12/2012 at 10:22 #39254
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OK thanks for that...teach me to read the new rules in the wiki....
That's the new pages written in 2010.


" said:

Odd problem at Hilton Jn. Trains entering can leave their descriptions behind causing a COA in front of the following train which is off screen and waiting to enter the single line.

TDs don't cause a CoA, can't reproduce but have inhibited following trains as a matter of course anyway.

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3.238 Sim Questions 16/12/2012 at 17:18 #39258
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0B31 will not attach to 7B31-A in the loop at Redford Jn after runaround.
Can't reproduce the problem - if all else fails try "shunt forward" from f2 options.

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3.238 Sim Questions 16/12/2012 at 17:46 #39259
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0B31 will not attach to 7B31-A in the loop at Redford Jn after runaround.
When 0B31 "arrives" at Redford Jn UGL, does the TT show its current location as Redford Jn? If not, the join won't take place as 0B31 does not think it has yet arrived at the place where it is due to join. You then need to set the current location as Redford Jn using the Edit TT option through F2 after which the join should take place. Don't know what could have caused the problem, but I never saw it during lots of testing.

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3.238 Sim Questions 17/12/2012 at 13:27 #39295
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Tried now a few times with different sessions of the Alloa diversion timetable and I seem to see what possibly is occurring.

If a train is on the down single line and another is standing at Hilton Jn, when the down train clears the single line and HJ7 slot is cleared for the up train, HY7 will not clear. The slot then has to be cancelled then restroked causing a COA as the up train refuses to be cautioned past HY7. The up train then speaks to his control then continues onto the single line. This is compounded when there is more than one train standing at Hilton Jn. The second train can leave it's description behind and this gets worse if there is a third train in the queue.

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3.238 Sim Questions 17/12/2012 at 13:41 #39296
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Tried now a few times with different sessions of the Alloa diversion timetable and I seem to see what possibly is occurring.

If a train is on the down single line and another is standing at Hilton Jn, when the down train clears the single line and HJ7 slot is cleared for the up train, HY7 will not clear. The slot then has to be cancelled then restroked causing a COA as the up train refuses to be cautioned past HY7. The up train then speaks to his control then continues onto the single line. This is compounded when there is more than one train standing at Hilton Jn. The second train can leave it's description behind and this gets worse if there is a third train in the queue.
As I say I've changed the way that works. It was not designed to be Clapham Jn.

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3.238 Sim Questions 18/12/2012 at 08:30 #39325
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True, not like Clapham Jn but if this occurred in real life then S&T would be working long hours to fix.
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3.238 Sim Questions 19/12/2012 at 16:57 #39404
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Can I just say that I was very critical about purchasing the Simulations that have been made available. But after purchasing Cowlairs how wrong was I.

May I go on the record in thanking Geoff and Peter and Indeed anyone else's work that has went into working on the Scotland Simulations. They are nothing short than fantastic work and indeed I will be purchasing more simulations very soon indeed.

I would like to add anyone who wishes or is thinking about purchasing the simulations, they are worth every penny and I had no hiccups what so ever.

Well done and a merry christmas and a happy new year to the Simsig Team

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3.238 Sim Questions 19/12/2012 at 19:29 #39412
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Can I just say that I was very critical about purchasing the Simulations that have been made available. But after purchasing Cowlairs how wrong was I.

May I go on the record in thanking Geoff and Peter and Indeed anyone else's work that has went into working on the Scotland Simulations. They are nothing short than fantastic work and indeed I will be purchasing more simulations very soon indeed.

I would like to add anyone who wishes or is thinking about purchasing the simulations, they are worth every penny and I had no hiccups what so ever.

Well done and a merry christmas and a happy new year to the Simsig Team
Im sure theres a moral to be taken from this story

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3.238 Sim Questions 19/12/2012 at 21:08 #39415
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Can I just say that I was very critical about purchasing the Simulations that have been made available. But after purchasing Cowlairs how wrong was I.

May I go on the record in thanking Geoff and Peter and Indeed anyone else's work that has went into working on the Scotland Simulations. They are nothing short than fantastic work and indeed I will be purchasing more simulations very soon indeed.

I would like to add anyone who wishes or is thinking about purchasing the simulations, they are worth every penny and I had no hiccups what so ever.

Well done and a merry christmas and a happy new year to the Simsig Team
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3.238 Sim Questions 19/12/2012 at 23:44 #39419
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Geoff/Peter/Andy

Another candidate to be locked?

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3.238 Sim Questions 19/12/2012 at 23:49 #39420
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Please can we get the Forum back to a place for reasonable comment and helpful advice. I have form in this respect so accept that my comments have a tinge of hypocrisy, but can we have a Forum which tries to rise above cheap point-scoring, chips on the shoulder and the like.
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3.238 Sim Questions 25/12/2012 at 08:43 #39651
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I have a problem with 1A80/5A80, which I cannot see previously reported.
1A80 departs having uncoupled from 5A80. However 5A80 is left described as 1A80.
As soon as I correct the description the sim immediatly changes it back and ARS complains about duplicated trains in the area.
I've tried getting the false 1A80 to abandon its TT and run as 5A80 but I continue to get the same result. As another train is supposed to join it in platform 17 this is about to be a problem!

Must go and have Christmas breakfast with the family................

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3.238 Sim Questions 25/12/2012 at 13:44 #39658
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I have a problem with 1A80/5A80, which I cannot see previously reported.
1A80 departs having uncoupled from 5A80. However 5A80 is left described as 1A80.
As soon as I correct the description the sim immediatly changes it back and ARS complains about duplicated trains in the area.
I've tried getting the false 1A80 to abandon its TT and run as 5A80 but I continue to get the same result. As another train is supposed to join it in platform 17 this is about to be a problem!

Must go and have Christmas breakfast with the family................
Once 5A80 has divided it no longer exists (it has become 2G55.) Are you interposing 2G55 or 5A80? If the latter then ARS logic will assume that 5A80 is dividing (again) and interpose 1A80.

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3.238 Sim Questions 25/12/2012 at 13:53 #39659
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I don't think that's quite right as 2G55 is the train that 5A80 waits to join it. I have 2G55 out by the airport at the moment on the up road travelliong toward Waverley.
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3.238 Sim Questions 25/12/2012 at 14:09 #39660
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Yes, my bad. I read the timetable wrong. However, interposing 5A80 will have the same result - ARS will interpose 1A80 because the timetable says that 1A80 is divided.
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3.238 Sim Questions 02/01/2013 at 16:57 #40002
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Please can we get the Forum back to a place for reasonable comment and helpful advice. I have form in this respect so accept that my comments have a tinge of hypocrisy, but can we have a Forum which tries to rise above cheap point-scoring, chips on the shoulder and the like.
Cannot understand who this is aimed at in this forum topic. Having paid for a sim I would just like it to work. I do realise how much work has gone into doing these sims and fully appreciate the dedication. I was involved in the resignalling of Rugby a while ago so know how a sim like this should work, especially with snagging that is required. I had run in's with the project manager at Rugby a few times. An engineer not understanding what an operator requires.

The previous version did not have a problem at Hilton Jn in the Edinburgh sim.

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