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| Electric Power Supply Problems 12/01/2013 at 20:48 #40494 | |
ajax103
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In the real world, we often hear of the term Electric Power Supply problems so my question to the coders behind the the Sims is simple: Is it or is it not possible for this to be emulated on sims which have 3rd rail or OHL? I know by using the incident box we can select a route and indicate to the sim that we want it blocked for various reasons but as a random scenario, could this happen? I'm just wondering that's all. Log in to reply |
| Electric Power Supply Problems 12/01/2013 at 21:34 #40496 | |
Peter Bennet
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Yes, Edinburgh has a wires down event, it occurs quite often in the recent release due to a data error on my part. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: ajax103 |
| Electric Power Supply Problems 14/01/2013 at 20:32 #40574 | |
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ajax103
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So it could in theory be seen in the sim as a extra to the existing faullt which may occur such as Signals failing, Track Circuits failing etc... In that case, I think Kings Cross would be best placed to test it then, lol! Log in to reply |
| Electric Power Supply Problems 14/01/2013 at 21:09 #40577 | |
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Peter Bennet
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Mine is bespoke data writing, though I can see that it could be possible to add it to the menu of failures. I'll post it on the bug-board suggestion. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Electric Power Supply Problems 15/01/2013 at 00:46 #40584 | |
Hooverman
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In the land of the 3rd rail, traction supply problems result in little or no trains moving. That would make for a boring sim and you wouldn't be able to simulate the amount of phone/CSR/GSM-R calls that would be taking place, plus all the face to face conversations with the adjacent panels and SSMs while the plans are being put together. But that said it could be an interesting idea if it's a sim that has plenty of diesels that could run under the wires or through the 3rd rail areas, which rules out the BML.
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| Electric Power Supply Problems 15/01/2013 at 06:36 #40586 | |
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Peter Bennet
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" said:In the land of the 3rd rail, traction supply problems result in little or no trains moving. That would make for a boring sim and you wouldn't be able to simulate the amount of phone/CSR/GSM-R calls that would be taking place, plus all the face to face conversations with the adjacent panels and SSMs while the plans are being put together. But that said it could be an interesting idea if it's a sim that has plenty of diesels that could run under the wires or through the 3rd rail areas, which rules out the BML.The Developer has to explicitly code elements (TC/SIG/PTS) that are allowed to fail so it should be possible to only code sufficient elements to make life difficult, rather than impossible, if there is a power problem. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Electric Power Supply Problems 15/01/2013 at 10:49 #40588 | |
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kbarber
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" said:" said:In the land of the 3rd rail, traction supply problems result in little or no trains moving. That would make for a boring sim and you wouldn't be able to simulate the amount of phone/CSR/GSM-R calls that would be taking place, plus all the face to face conversations with the adjacent panels and SSMs while the plans are being put together. But that said it could be an interesting idea if it's a sim that has plenty of diesels that could run under the wires or through the 3rd rail areas, which rules out the BML.The Developer has to explicitly code elements (TC/SIG/PTS) that are allowed to fail so it should be possible to only code sufficient elements to make life difficult, rather than impossible, if there is a power problem. Peter, unfortunately my experience in OHLE areas is that any problem is widespread, in the early stages at least. Neutral sections occur at Feeder Stations which are at about 25 mile intervals, or Track Sectioning Cabins (around 10 or 12 miles apart), and in the first instance any traction isolation (including an unknown short circuit that trips the supply breakers) would take out the whole 10 - 12 mile stretch between neutral sections. After that, one of two scenarios is possible: either the problem will self-clear (a pigeon that landed on an insulator, for instance) and it will be possible to liven up the section without further ado, or the problem will remain and any attempt to reclose the breakers will result in a further trip. In the first instance the signalman may never know there was a problem (or he might get a phone call from a driver asking about the brief loss of power). In the second situation, everything in that 10 mile section stops. in the old days (say pre-1990?) anything with diesel traction might assist a preceding train to open running lines for diesel traffic, otherwise the 'leckys stop where they are and the diseasels end up waiting at signals until something happens. What is likely to happen is that M&EE staff arrive eventually and shorten up the isolation, using the sectioning switches and applying portable earths to sections that will remain isolated to ensure protection for anyone working. The rules more complex than for taking an engineers' TIII possession (particularly as, in some areas, routes may remain available for diesel traction), although the principles (so far as the bobby is concerned) are similar (reminder appliances etc, together with the paperwork that (for some unknown reason  ) isn't simulated). But all in all, just as Dabbadaz says of the 3rd-rail lands, any significant electrical problem is likely to lead to very few trains over a very large area (but, in real life, an awful lot of very anguished phone calls). As he says, it would become an awfully boring sim for the duration.
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| Electric Power Supply Problems 16/01/2013 at 14:01 #40629 | |
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dwelham313
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I love the sound of a 'wires down' possibility as a random failure (such as Edinburgh). Perhaps with larger sims such as Kings Cross a variety of possible locations of the wires coming down could be possible resulting in different levels of disruption; for example - 1.Wires down on Hertford Loop - moderate disrupton to FCC inner suburban services 2.Wires down somewhere between Alexandra Palace - Langley Jn via Welwyn Garden City - moderate disruption to FCC inners and diverts via Hertford 3.Wires down north of Langley Jn - Major disruption to FCC outer and intercity services 4.Wires down south of Alexandra Palace - total chaos! Options 1-3 still allow movement of services so the whole sim doesnt come to a complete stop and also give the added challenge of service recovery. Log in to reply |