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Can't set route through Huish and Puxton LC 25/05/2013 at 15:15 #45123
maxand
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1637 posts 		I give up...

Can't set route through Huish and Puxton LC in either direction (e.g., between signals BP0 - BP2), playing 1980s sim starting 0:00.

Clicking the signals doesn't display a flashing light. No error message. Searching forums under these location names brings up nothing.

What have I done or not done to be reduced to a head-banging idiot by this sim?

Thanks.
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Can't set route through Huish and Puxton LC 25/05/2013 at 15:40 #45124
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What have I done or not done to be reduced to a head-banging idiot by this sim?
Patience (or rather lack thereof).

Huish and Puxton level crossings are controlled locally - simply wait for a train to approach and watch the gatekeepers swing into action lowering those barriers for you with no user input.
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Can't set route through Huish and Puxton LC 25/05/2013 at 15:48 #45125
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307 posts 		These signals are approach controlled, they should change automatically when a train approaches. Just set a route as far as the first auto sig, then you should be fine.
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Can't set route through Huish and Puxton LC 25/05/2013 at 16:02 #45126
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3985 posts 		" said:
These signals are approach controlled
Not quite- approach control is where a signal is held at red until a train nearly stops at it. As Sidestick said, the signals at Puxton and Huish are released by the crossing keeper when the barriers are down, which should happen before a train encounters a yellow.
"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Can't set route through Huish and Puxton LC 25/05/2013 at 16:09 #45127
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307 posts 		" said:
" said:
These signals are approach controlled
Not quite- approach control is where a signal is held at red until a train nearly stops at it. As Sidestick said, the signals at Puxton and Huish are released by the crossing keeper when the barriers are down, which should happen before a train encounters a yellow.
Of course - apologies for the incorrect terminology
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Can't set route through Huish and Puxton LC 25/05/2013 at 16:11 #45128
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1461 posts 		" said:
Approach control is where a signal is held at red
Unless it's approach control from yellow!
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Can't set route through Huish and Puxton LC 25/05/2013 at 17:26 #45130
Steamer
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3985 posts 		" said:
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Approach control is where a signal is held at red
Unless it's approach control from yellow!
Good point! :blush:

I've added relevant notes and links to the Bristol manual about these crossings.
"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
Last edited: 25/05/2013 at 18:00 by Steamer
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Can't set route through Huish and Puxton LC 26/05/2013 at 13:00 #45149
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1637 posts 		Thanks everyone who replied for clearing this up, and to Steamer for amending the manual. Tested this and it's automatic, as you say.

I will add a link in the Wiki to the Bristol sim with its extra types of LC such as CK.

Since the Crossing Keeper is only human, it's possible that the LC may become "stuck" if he is taken ill, etc. Has this type of failure been programmed into any sim?
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Can't set route through Huish and Puxton LC 26/05/2013 at 13:15 #45150
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Since the Crossing Keeper is only human, it's possible that the LC may become "stuck" if he is taken ill, etc. Has this type of failure been programmed into any sim?
I don't think there has been any kind of failure simulated (so far) for these crossings. That said, it would be interesting if this type of incident popped up in 'difficult' mode (although technically the box concerned was a fully fledged signal box, not just a 'gate box').
"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Can't set route through Huish and Puxton LC 26/05/2013 at 16:01 #45153
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3690 posts 		" said:

Since the Crossing Keeper is only human, it's possible that the LC may become "stuck" if he is taken ill, etc. Has this type of failure been programmed into any sim?
I think the main issue is that its a full on job stopper - You would need to wait for someone to turn up and confirm its safe to send trains through the crossing, rather than just authorising them through at danger.
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Can't set route through Huish and Puxton LC 27/05/2013 at 13:56 #45168
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1637 posts 		Found this video of crossing keeper in action (starting at 1:38)...

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7hyIkqyp9k[/video]
Last edited: 27/05/2013 at 14:03 by maxand
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Can't set route through Huish and Puxton LC 27/05/2013 at 20:24 #45183
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525 posts 		Coincidentally there was a failure of some sort at one of these crossings in real life the other week - it was adding about 5 minutes to journey times between Bristol and the Weston area.
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Can't set route through Huish and Puxton LC 28/05/2013 at 10:07 #45207
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1743 posts 		" said:
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Since the Crossing Keeper is only human, it's possible that the LC may become "stuck" if he is taken ill, etc. Has this type of failure been programmed into any sim?
I think the main issue is that its a full on job stopper - You would need to wait for someone to turn up and confirm its safe to send trains through the crossing, rather than just authorising them through at danger.

That's the sort of area where rules & regs can be used creatively, I'd have thought - certainly would have been in my day. If the keeper is that ill, there'd probably be no communication at all. Cue Examination of the Line (not just cautioning through), which would establish the reality of the situation at the crossing. And get the first affected train through the area in the process.

I'm no longer fully up on R&R but am I not right in thinking that trains may be cautioned to approach a failed LC prepared to stop short and proceed only when the line is clear? I think that would put a lot more than 5min into timings but I see no reason why the same thing shouldn't be done until relief can be arranged. If there's questions whether something that can be done for a failure of equipment can't be done for a failure of a human, someone would surely have the power to authorise it? (I'm quite sure a movements inspector would've done in the old days.)
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