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red cow LC attendants and wickets 22/06/2013 at 18:31 #45908
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3701 posts 		having had the pleasure of visiting St. Davids on thursday, I paid a trip down to red cow LC, to find a pair of attendants en situ, to advise pedestrians of when it is safe to cross, as wicket gates are provided, presumably becuase pedestrians cannot move as fast as a car.

the attendants are provided with a centrally located indicator which shows which platform and direction is set over the crossing, eg. 5U 3D.

can anyone confirm 1) if this is a permanent arrangment 2) when did it start and why?

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red cow LC attendants and wickets 22/06/2013 at 18:37 #45909
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1842 posts 		The lookouts were certainly present in early February 2010.
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 22/06/2013 at 18:42 #45910
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1803 posts 		I can vividly recall having seeing an Oompa Loompa manning the crossing (standing in what I'd call the '10 foot' - between the lines for Platform 3 and Platform 4) when I was in that area on 13th September 2008.
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 22/06/2013 at 18:52 #45912
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521 posts 		It's been there ever since it was resignalled in 1985. I'm not sure what if anything was in place prior to the resignalling.
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 22/06/2013 at 18:55 #45913
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3701 posts 		" said:
It's been there ever since it was resignalled in 1985. I'm not sure what if anything was in place prior to the resignalling.
thanks firefly, possibly common sense and a lack of lawsuits?
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 22/06/2013 at 19:27 #45914
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521 posts 		Looks like it pre-dates the resignalling.

This picture is dated 1981. HERE

I suspect there were indicators in the hut.
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 22/06/2013 at 21:24 #45917
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307 posts 		Definitely a permanent arrangement, and a very useful one too.
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 22/06/2013 at 22:29 #45924
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2088 posts 		I think the indicators were all renewed for LED when the crossing was rebuilt with BR843 machines last year.
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 24/06/2013 at 07:34 #45971
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72 posts 		i'm not familiar with the location but it seems like a labour-intensive (costly) operation to keep going for so long. How come they've not put up some kind of footbridge or underpass? (hoping that yearly costs of either is less than hiring a bunch of humans)
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 24/06/2013 at 19:44 #45996
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307 posts 		" said:
i'm not familiar with the location but it seems like a labour-intensive (costly) operation to keep going for so long. How come they've not put up some kind of footbridge or underpass? (hoping that yearly costs of either is less than hiring a bunch of humans)
It's a wide old crossing (six tracks in all), and it wouldn't be that easy to install either a footbridge or an underpass due to the limited public room available in the area (and I would imagine that if you deviated the suggested route for pedestrians by too much - making it a considerably longer route - they'd still use the crossing anyway!)
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 24/06/2013 at 21:52 #45997
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916 posts 		It is about it in this doc on Signaling Notices dated March 1985. On Page 3, point 7 covers Red Cow (Hope this may help there somehow)

http://www.signallingnotices.org.uk/scans/104/1985%20-%209%20Exeter%20Stage%201A.pdf

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red cow LC attendants and wickets 24/06/2013 at 23:49 #46002
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2158 posts 		I see there is a photo in the latest Photo Gallery.
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 28/06/2013 at 21:33 #46139
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916 posts 		Not sure if this is of any use, but, going via Exeter today (and a 2 hour wait for a bus) I spent some time at Red Cow.

What appears to happen is when the crossing comes down, the attendant comes out, and allows people to still cross until such a time that a route appears on the display in the middle of the lines, and if once a train has passed, but barriers have not gone up, and no route is displayed on the indicator thing, allows pedestrians to cross then as well.

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i'm not familiar with the location but it seems like a labour-intensive (costly) operation to keep going for so long. How come they've not put up some kind of footbridge or underpass? (hoping that yearly costs of either is less than hiring a bunch of humans)
After looking at the amount of space available at the crossing, there really is not room for a bridge for road traffic. There is a road junction just short of the crossing coming from Exeter

What surprised me more than anything there was how early the barriers lower, compared to when a train departs Exeter SD

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red cow LC attendants and wickets 28/06/2013 at 23:00 #46141
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307 posts 		" said:
What surprised me more than anything there was how early the barriers lower, compared to when a train departs Exeter SD
Staff aren't supposed to dispatch/lock trains unless the train has a positive aspect out of the station, and the dispatch procedure can take time - particularly on HST's.
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 29/06/2013 at 17:43 #46163
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916 posts 		" said:
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What surprised me more than anything there was how early the barriers lower, compared to when a train departs Exeter SD
Staff aren't supposed to dispatch/lock trains unless the train has a positive aspect out of the station, and the dispatch procedure can take time - particularly on HST's.
I hadn't thought about it like that. Would that be a reason for the crossing keeper as well, allowing people to cross until a train is ready to depart?

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red cow LC attendants and wickets 29/06/2013 at 18:27 #46165
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307 posts 		" said:
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What surprised me more than anything there was how early the barriers lower, compared to when a train departs Exeter SD
Staff aren't supposed to dispatch/lock trains unless the train has a positive aspect out of the station, and the dispatch procedure can take time - particularly on HST's.
I hadn't thought about it like that. Would that be a reason for the crossing keeper as well, allowing people to cross until a train is ready to depart?
Probably yes, if he can see that the doors are still open then he can still allow people to cross.
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 27/06/2021 at 19:39 #140225
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1189 posts 		I've added some footage from that site at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NaH0Otu7jM

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red cow LC attendants and wickets 27/06/2021 at 21:42 #140226
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580 posts 		9pN1SEAp in post 140225 said:
I've added some footage from that site at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NaH0Otu7jM

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At 2:10, how can there be 2 routes set in the down direction? There's only one signal for down trains..?
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 27/06/2021 at 22:03 #140227
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872 posts 		Dionysusnu in post 140226 said:
9pN1SEAp in post 140225 said:
I've added some footage from that site at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NaH0Otu7jM

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Jamie
At 2:10, how can there be 2 routes set in the down direction? There's only one signal for down trains..?
Probably a train from the down main into platform 4 and an ecs from Exeter New Yard into platform 1.
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 27/06/2021 at 22:29 #140228
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1189 posts 		Exactly as Northroad said. There’s a 1V on the down main and 5L from sidings that runs on the adjacent road without overlap.
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 27/06/2021 at 22:32 #140229
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373 posts 		Temple Meads in post 45996 said:
" said:
i'm not familiar with the location but it seems like a labour-intensive (costly) operation to keep going for so long. How come they've not put up some kind of footbridge or underpass? (hoping that yearly costs of either is less than hiring a bunch of humans)
It's a wide old crossing (six tracks in all),
Back in The days of Exeter Middle Red Cow had spanned 10 tracks! (12 if you count the goods lines though these were worked from Goods Yard Box), so would have needed 2-3 people as crossing keepers as every move to/from the bank siding and every move under Exeter Middle's control required the crossing!
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 27/06/2021 at 22:34 #140230
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373 posts 		(Other half of the diagram for reference)
(the diagram is in the locking room of Exeter West SB In Crewe and is the original )

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red cow LC attendants and wickets 27/06/2021 at 23:26 #140231
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1048 posts 		Dionysusnu in post 140226 said:
9pN1SEAp in post 140225 said:
I've added some footage from that site at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NaH0Otu7jM

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Jamie
At 2:10, how can there be 2 routes set in the down direction? There's only one signal for down trains..?
Pretty obvious if you ask me.
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 28/06/2021 at 09:11 #140232
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580 posts 		Hap in post 140231 said:
Dionysusnu in post 140226 said:
9pN1SEAp in post 140225 said:
I've added some footage from that site at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NaH0Otu7jM

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Jamie
At 2:10, how can there be 2 routes set in the down direction? There's only one signal for down trains..?
Pretty obvious if you ask me.

Brain wires did not think about new yard and riverside yard when I asked the question. Sorry.
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red cow LC attendants and wickets 28/06/2021 at 10:22 #140234
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545 posts 		Dionysusnu in post 140232 said:
Brain wires did not think about new yard and riverside yard when I asked the question. Sorry.
I'm sure they'll forgive you
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