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| Greenloaning & Tay Bridge Signal D714 29/06/2013 at 07:59 #46142 | |
Class 92
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I have two problems at the moment with North East Scotland. 1. At Greenloaning loop I have a freight in the loop and a class 1 on the main but I cant set the route from signal GL5 to Signal GL7 because it says that the points are locked by another route.  2. At Tay Bridge I am having problems with signal D714 clearing.  I have looked at the Manuel but couldn't find anything. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| Greenloaning & Tay Bridge Signal D714 29/06/2013 at 08:27 #46143 | |
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AndyG
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1) What is the status of mechanical interlocking? I suspect it is on, and you haven't normalised the points into the loop after the freight entered. If under display options you tick the 'show point positions' that should confirm. 2) From http://www.SimSig.co.uk/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=usertrack:mans:nescot:nescotbox:- "Dundee Note: Tay Bridge is one-train only through the “high Girders” this is enforced by the interlocking of Signals D714 and D715 so only one will clear at a time." I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Last edited: 29/06/2013 at 08:28 by AndyG Reason: typos Log in to reply |
| Greenloaning & Tay Bridge Signal D714 29/06/2013 at 08:33 #46144 | |
Peter Bennet
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Second is explained here - You can only signal one train at a time through the "High Girders". First I'll have to look into- what settings did you launch it as? It looks like you have not got point position enabled (f3 option) so I can't see which way the points are lying. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Greenloaning & Tay Bridge Signal D714 29/06/2013 at 08:38 #46145 | |
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Class 92
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I have mechanical interlocking off, Track off, Bells off and TORR on. I have tried to change the points manually as well. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Last edited: 29/06/2013 at 08:40 by Class 92 Log in to reply |
| Greenloaning & Tay Bridge Signal D714 29/06/2013 at 08:46 #46146 | |
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AndyG
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The points into the loop are locked reverse, I suspect this is because they are within the clearing point with a train accepted and now approaching. If so, the locking should clear once the train is proven to be at a stand at the home signal (GL5).
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| Greenloaning & Tay Bridge Signal D714 29/06/2013 at 08:49 #46147 | |
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Class 92
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Ok thanks. How long is it normally until the locking clears?
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| Greenloaning & Tay Bridge Signal D714 29/06/2013 at 08:58 #46149 | |
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Class 92
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Played on an extra 3 minutes and the locking on the points still hasn't knocked out. Which means now that 1A59 is held at signal GL5.
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| Greenloaning & Tay Bridge Signal D714 29/06/2013 at 10:53 #46152 | |
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Jan
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I suppose you're playing the 2006 timetable. In that case 4A11 has a length of 250 m, while according to the manual Greenloaning DGL only has a length of 220 m. That means that the trains is overhanging the loop entrance points, although not far enough to be actually visible on the track circuits. So the only thing you can do is to signal 4A11 out of the loop and live with the delay that'll cause to 1A59. On a side note, as far as I have gathered, Greenloaning seems to be switched out most of the time now - except for the occasional equipment testing, or diverted trains which require additional capacity. So in reality you wouldn't even be able to use the loops there - and accordingly the block section then goes from Dunblane all the way to Blackford. Two million people attempt to use Birmingham's magnificent rail network every year, with just over a million of them managing to get further than Smethwick. Log in to reply |
| Greenloaning & Tay Bridge Signal D714 29/06/2013 at 13:33 #46154 | |
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Class 92
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I cheated a bit by changing the length to 220m.
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| Greenloaning & Tay Bridge Signal D714 29/06/2013 at 14:50 #46157 | |
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Late Turn
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Although the 'loop' end of the crossover might not be TC'd in reality (acceptable by virtue of being visible from the box, presumably), doesn't that make things rather unworkable in the sim? How does one know when an arriving train is clear inside, other than by repeatedly trying to swing the points?
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| Greenloaning & Tay Bridge Signal D714 29/06/2013 at 15:25 #46160 | |
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Class 92
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I have checked the f2 and it has been in the loop for at least 3-5 minutes.
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| Greenloaning & Tay Bridge Signal D714 29/06/2013 at 18:19 #46164 | |
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Peter Bennet
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" said:I cheated a bit by changing the length to 220m." said: I have checked the f2 and it has been in the loop for at least 3-5 minutes.The loop is 220m long and the train is 220m long but that does not take account of the fact that trains stop short of the signal by around 2m (just tested the exact figure). " said: Although the 'loop' end of the crossover might not be TC'd in reality (acceptable by virtue of being visible from the box, presumably), doesn't that make things rather unworkable in the sim? How does one know when an arriving train is clear inside, other than by repeatedly trying to swing the points?If the visible TC are clear then within a few seconds, assuming the train is of the correct length, the points should be clear. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Last edited: 29/06/2013 at 18:25 by Peter Bennet Log in to reply |
| Greenloaning & Tay Bridge Signal D714 29/06/2013 at 18:45 #46166 | |
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Late Turn
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I'll concede that the sim appears to prevent you swinging the points with the loop end fouled, but in reality (and therefore also in Simsig  ), I wouldn't want to attempt to swing them unless I knew that the train was cleared - hence my query really.
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| Greenloaning & Tay Bridge Signal D714 29/06/2013 at 20:53 #46169 | |
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Class 92
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" said:" said:I did make the train shunt forward, when the train shunts forward to the signal does it stop directly in line with the signal or a little bit short?I cheated a bit by changing the length to 220m." said:I have checked the f2 and it has been in the loop for at least 3-5 minutes.The loop is 220m long and the train is 220m long but that does not take account of the fact that trains stop short of the signal by around 2m (just tested the exact figure). Log in to reply |