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| Why only routes from Uk 20/08/2013 at 12:44 #48633 | |
CyM
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Why only routes from Uk? From Italy, Romania and other countryes no? Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 20/08/2013 at 14:11 #48646 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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SimSig is based on British Rail IECC display systems, and most of the developers live in the UK with knowledge of UK signalling systems.
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| Why only routes from Uk 20/08/2013 at 14:22 #48647 | |
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CyM
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if i post a picture from a romanian railway station can help the game? can be developed for the game with uk signalling systems?
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| Why only routes from Uk 20/08/2013 at 14:26 #48648 | |
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alvinhochun
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I am aware that at least one simulation targeting outside the UK is being developed. The one that I am talking about, though, I am not sure how the progress is. The most difficult work required to make a simulation is to acquire all the data, which I believe was mentioned quite a lot of times by SImSig developers. However for non-UK simulations, first of all the signalling has to be UK railway signalling because SimSig is built to simulate UK railway signalling, or more precisely IECCs, so it would not be very meaningful to make a simulation for other signalling systems. Last edited: 20/08/2013 at 14:27 by alvinhochun Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 20/08/2013 at 14:44 #48651 | |
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CyM
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romanian signal http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6688/img4719m.jpg Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 20/08/2013 at 14:48 #48652 | |
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TimTamToe
664 posts |
" said:if i post a picture from a romanian railway station can help the game? can be developed for the game with uk signalling systems?Even if Romania uses the UK signalling principles a picture of a station wouldn't be that useful. I'm not a developer but there is lots of data required for example signal positions and distances, track circuit lengths, details of point and interlocking etc to make an accurate simulation, it is not something that can be done from a few pictures Gareth Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 20/08/2013 at 18:03 #48659 | |
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Lardybiker
771 posts |
Simply put, yes we could technically do a sim of anywhere in the world. However there are some issues. As has been stated, SimSig replicates the British signalling system. If the systems in the country where the sim is based do not replicate British practice, there are immediately going to be some differences and possible issues re-creating it. The main issue though is getting the data required. SimSig requires a lot of low level data to achieve the accuracy it does. A picture of a signal or a station are probably no good at all. Close up images of a signal box panel or signalling system would be better, but even then only shows the layout, not it's operation. There is still an awful lot of data you can't see so obviously that's needed too. If information on track circuits, points, routes, locations, and other signalling/safety related systems such as flank locking, overlaps, and level crossings types can be obtained then there is a chance we could do it. Lastly, there's the developer themselves. You'd have to find one who has the both time to dedicate to such a project. I am sure there are plenty who would be interested but at the same time, I think we all have our hands full with the UK-based projects that we are already working on. But never say never.... Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 20/08/2013 at 18:51 #48665 | |
moonraker
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That signalling looks fairly similar to that found in Austria, Germany and Switzerland. But it's nothing like the UK signalling system. There are speed restrictions associated with certain restricting aspects unlike the UK.
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| Why only routes from Uk 20/08/2013 at 19:26 #48666 | |
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CyM
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another signal in Romania at Timisoara Nord railway station http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8023/7710042762_7f3998017b_b.jpg it means you may enter to the station with maximum 30 km/h but the next signal is red and a switch http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1848/filme18042010001.jpg Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 20/08/2013 at 19:47 #48667 | |
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Lardybiker
771 posts |
" said:That signalling looks fairly similar to that found in Austria, Germany and Switzerland. But it's nothing like the UK signalling system. There are speed restrictions associated with certain restricting aspects unlike the UK.Hmmm. The fact the signaling regulates specific speeds is indeed something SimSig does not currently support directly. SimSig does deal with maximum line speeds but doesn't do anything with speed signalling. Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 20/08/2013 at 20:00 #48669 | |
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Foulounoux
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Hi Cym Off topic but I used to frequently do the drive from Timisoara to Deva/orastie Good to see some pictures. I kept saying I should take but never did Colin Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 20/08/2013 at 23:02 #48682 | |
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Roadrunner
111 posts |
This isn't the secret service. You can actually tell us what is being worked on without anyone being placed in danger of their life! No commercial secrets will be lost or any potential sales lost to rival companies. Start to treat members as interested fans/supporters (customers, if you insist) instead of regarding us as the enemy (who you keep in the dark or keep a distance from.)
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| Why only routes from Uk 21/08/2013 at 01:46 #48687 | |
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JamesN
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" said:This isn't the secret service. You can actually tell us what is being worked on without anyone being placed in danger of their life! No commercial secrets will be lost or any potential sales lost to rival companies. Start to treat members as interested fans/supporters (customers, if you insist) instead of regarding us as the enemy (who you keep in the dark or keep a distance from.)Change the record, bored of this "SimSig is a secret society" rubbish now. Simsig is a secret society, so what? Nobody else cares so put up or shut up. Last edited: 21/08/2013 at 01:49 by JamesN Reason: Typo Log in to reply The following users said thank you: DriverCurran, BarryM, andyb0607, officer dibble, GoochyB, TimTamToe |
| Why only routes from Uk 21/08/2013 at 01:47 #48688 | |
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JamesN
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To get back on topic... " said: Hmmm. The fact the signaling regulates specific speeds is indeed something SimSig does not currently support directly. SimSig does deal with maximum line speeds but doesn't do anything with speed signalling.Theoretically lardy this could be achieved with the defensive driving rules available in TTs on the latest core code... To be strictly accurate. However the other caveats (like data, and time) you mentioned still apply Last edited: 21/08/2013 at 01:50 by JamesN Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 21/08/2013 at 05:44 #48694 | |
Peter Bennet
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" said:" said:As a point of information the developers often don't know what each other is doing either; that's not something that causes me sleepless nights and angst-ridden days.This isn't the secret service. You can actually tell us what is being worked on without anyone being placed in danger of their life! No commercial secrets will be lost or any potential sales lost to rival companies. Start to treat members as interested fans/supporters (customers, if you insist) instead of regarding us as the enemy (who you keep in the dark or keep a distance from.)Change the record, bored of this "SimSig is a secret society" rubbish now. Simsig is a secret society, so what? Nobody else cares so put up or shut up. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: larsht |
| Why only routes from Uk 21/08/2013 at 06:36 #48695 | |
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CyM
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http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/209/p7260020p.jpg an mechanical signal i think you don`t have that type of signal in Uk... Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 21/08/2013 at 09:09 #48698 | |
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moonraker
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Again similar to Austria and Germany Semaphore signals. We do have Mechanical signalling here but it's starting to disappear as NR go for the big "Regional Signalling Centre" approach it will probably disappear all together apart from Heritage Lines.
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| Why only routes from Uk 21/08/2013 at 09:11 #48699 | |
Steamer
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" said:http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/209/p7260020p.jpgIf I've deduced what that signal means correctly, we do:  (SM79 and SM78 at Stirling if anyone's interested) Post has attachments. Log in to view them. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 21/08/2013 at 09:11 by Steamer Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 21/08/2013 at 09:13 #48700 | |
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moonraker
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Yep that's Mechanical Signalling
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| Why only routes from Uk 21/08/2013 at 09:35 #48702 | |
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CyM
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i saw that in trainz 2009 this is a picture from romania with a freight train http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6093/7003189141_ca7bcd83d0_b.jpg Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 21/08/2013 at 22:45 #48740 | |
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Forest Pines
525 posts |
" said:" said:If the Romanian signal means the same as a German two-armed semaphore, we don't. In the German rulebook that aspect means "proceed slow". The closest British equivalent would be a bracket signal with a short doll showing clear, but that gives extra geographical info compared to the continental one. It's correct to say we don't really have an equivalent. In Germany, at least since national standardisation of signals, you don't see mechanical stop and distant signals on the same post: if it's necessary to produce something like that signal from Stirling, a stop and a distant signal will be placed side by side on separate posts. Apologies, of course, if Romania is different again.http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/209/p7260020p.jpgIf I've deduced what that signal means correctly, we do: Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 21/08/2013 at 23:31 #48742 | |
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Steamer
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" said:Ah, OK. I was going off a similar-looking signal on one of the default MSTS (Microsoft Train Simulator) routes, which apparently was a home+distant combo. To be honest, I should have learned by now to take anything in the basic MSTS package with a large lump of salt... "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 22/08/2013 at 00:18 #48746 | |
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vontrapp
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....The closest British equivalent would be a bracket signal with a short doll showing clear... The closest is/was (British semaphore signalling, L&Y (maybe/and other companies which was/is a 'carried-on' tradition within NR)) pulling the stop-signal off slowly; nothing in the rule-book, though. Log in to reply |
| Why only routes from Uk 22/08/2013 at 07:25 #48753 | |
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Forest Pines
525 posts |
Are you referring to Rule 39a? The German mechanical "proceed slow" could be used in either situation; strictly speaking it doesn't tell the driver the reason why his speed is restricted. It's definitely still used today in situations where the driver is taking a diverging route reading to a clear signal.
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| Why only routes from Uk 22/08/2013 at 07:34 #48754 | |
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CyM
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in Romania that signal means you have green but with maximum speed of 30 km/h and you will enter on another track Last edited: 22/08/2013 at 07:41 by CyM Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Forest Pines |
