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| Woodhead 28/01/2012 at 13:28 #28358 | |
BoxBoyKit
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How about all or part of the Woodhead line? (Manchester London Road to Sheffield Victoria, for anyone who doesn't know it). Recently obtained the Railworks 3 Add On version, which is quite amazing. And noticed no one had suggested a sim of this rather historical/famous/etc route. Any takers? Edit: Apologies if this has been suggested, I did do a search but it turned up nothing. Last edited: 28/01/2012 at 13:29 by BoxBoyKit Log in to reply |
| Re: Woodhead 28/01/2012 at 18:49 #28363 | |
headshot119
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You mean you got Woodhead to work on Railworks. @Sam Tugwell. (joke) "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Re: Woodhead 28/01/2012 at 19:44 #28365 | |
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Sam Tugwell
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Very funny chaps 
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| Re: Woodhead 28/01/2012 at 19:45 #28366 | |
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BoxBoyKit
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I didn't say I got it to work...I have...but I didn't say it. I'm sure it would work much better in SimSig land though, if it would make Sam feel better?
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| Re: Woodhead 28/01/2012 at 20:11 #28367 | |
Meld
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Looks nice full screen on the 32" totally immersible experience
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| Re: Woodhead 28/01/2012 at 20:24 #28368 | |
MJD
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It should be at £25
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| Re: Woodhead 28/01/2012 at 22:32 #28373 | |
jc92
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would certainly be interesting as the majority of diagrams are freely available but id suggest adding the wath branch (cant chain it to sheff though as wath rd junction isnt simmed. plenty of special operating practices to adopt for 4 76s on MGRs up the bank "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Woodhead 05/01/2013 at 17:46 #40242 | |
lazzer
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Modelling this as it was in the '50s would certainly provide a challenge, as by then system was at capacity with coal trains often to be found in every loop along the line as they struggled up to the tunnel. And you'd have to find a way of fitting the passenger trains in if the TT was based before 1970. The Wath branch would definitely have to be included, and possibly even the line from Wath to Penistone via Barnsley. Doubtless, you all have Alan Whitehouse's excellent "An Illustrated History of the Woodhead Route"? B) Log in to reply |
| Woodhead 06/01/2013 at 01:06 #40248 | |
JohnMiller
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Real Life Woodhead Its 2am I sign on at Rotherwood, meet the driver, we are given a Class 76 loco. we climb on-board & travel light to Tinsley Yard. I drop off the loco go into shunters cabin, pick up the tops list & shunter tells me the train on road XX its all ready to go. So I flick the handpoints .. guide the loco onto the train, couple up, hand driver the drivers slip, release the handbrakes on the leading three wagons (making sure they matched the TOPS list & left the driver to draw the train out while I went up onto the bank & got the brakevan ready. Trains drawn out, so I release the van handbrake, freewheel to the back of the train, stopping as the buffers smash together, couple up, climb on board & give the driver the green light for right away & off we go. > Now Driver Jack Marr never messed around he just went out & back as quick as he could which suited me .... but .... as we got to Wadsley Bridge, I was thinking much slower Jack & we will be on overtime, must be following something I thought. We CRAWLED to Outibridge, Deepcar & all the way to Penistone doing no more than about 20mph. I was thinking what the hells going on ?? there's no leaves falling (so no slipping)... but on we went, trundle, trundle all the way to Dunford Bridge & into the tunnel. I remember being stood on the van veranda thinking shall I get out & shove ... eventually into the darkness of Woodhead Tunnel we vanished...... > By the time we exited the tunnel passing Woodhead box, we were flying & I mean scary speed even to the point where I was applying the van handbrake. Through Crowden, Hatfield & Glossop, I'd never been so quick & I thought maybe the loco had a fault that had rectified & Jack was making up time. > We slowed a bit for Dinting & the Viaduct & Godley & we arrived at Dewsnap where the train terminated but my breakvan came to a grinding halt outside the signalbox on the main line at the east end of the yard ... I was on the veranda looking what was going off when the signalman slung the box window open & shouted you the guard .. I nodded .. idiot you have brought TWO TRAINS IN ONE ... ehh I replied ... your trains in the yard the locos at the far end of the siding your trains too long. Your double the length, double the weight .. double everything .... I replied, what you want me to do .. nothing said the signalman .. the shunting staff are uncoupling train & a class 40 is coming onto the rear to pull you out & put the rest into another road. This took about an hour to complete .... we went back light to deepcar & took a train from there to Tinsley & on the way back driver Marr said only one thing ... PULL ANYTHING THESE 76s .......... How true Last edited: 06/01/2013 at 16:24 by Peter Bennet Reason: Language Log in to reply The following users said thank you: BarryM, sorabain, AndyG, Josie, officer dibble, bfcmik, CABOOSEMAN |
| Woodhead 07/01/2013 at 01:42 #40300 | |
BarryM
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John, what were you supposed to do? Didn't the shunter give you the right information? I love theses stories. Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| Woodhead 07/01/2013 at 15:09 #40311 | |
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JohnMiller
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John, what were you supposed to do? Didn't the shunter give you the right information? I love theses stories. Barry I cannot say there was nothing I could have done ... but the staff in Tinsley yard were known as train per-pairers, not shunter's, so when advised "your trains ready" you took it for granted it was. I do remember while walking to the van on the hump & the train was drawing out, thinking to myself ... that's going on a bit. With it being un-fitted there was no need for a break test, so it was only at dewsnap where the mistake was found. We all got a please explain & I put pretty much what I have written here, but, never heard any more. We took a total of over 60 wagons, most of them loaded, of which about 30 to 35 were not on the tops list. I believe driver Jack stated he thought there was a traction motor fault on the loco. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: BarryM |
| Woodhead 07/01/2013 at 18:08 #40315 | |
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bugali
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if any one is interested there is a load of "Road resignalling" diagrams at the web sit. Dunford Bridge to Manchester London Road. (Piccadilly): http://www.lymmobservatory.net/railways/sbdiagrams/woodhead3/mswstage2_150dpi_q25.jpg Rotherwood to Penistone http://www.lymmobservatory.net/railways/sbdiagrams/woodhead2/woodhead_ws_2.htm Wath to Dunford Bridge http://www.lymmobservatory.net/railways/sbdiagrams/woodhead1/woodhead_ws_1.htm Dunford Bridge West SB diagram http://www.lymmobservatory.net/railways/sbdiagrams/dunfordwest50dpiq75.jpg Woodhead SB Diagrams http://www.lymmobservatory.net/railways/sbdiagrams/woodhead_1954_q65.jpg Alli Log in to reply |
| Woodhead 07/01/2013 at 18:32 #40316 | |
58050
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Woodhead route was one of my favourite lines. Everytime we spent a week at relatives in Stockport, off I'd go train spotting at Guide Bridge via the Stockport - Staylbridge DMU. One particular day I walked with another lad from Guide bridge station to Dewsnap sidings. I took a photo of the Dewsnap pilot which was named 'Edgeley'. Alot of the Longsight Cl.08s carried wooden nameplates which were named after railway works or other railway related places. What I remember most about Dewsnap Sdgs was a rake of burnt out Mk.1 buffet coaches on one of the roads in the yard. Ironically my Uncle Frank lives about a 5 minute walk to where there is a park where the sdgs back onto. Nothing left of Dewsnap Sdgs today or even then in the 1990s when I went to take a look. On the day in question the route we took was a rough bumby road through the middle of some terraced houses which was no doubt the access for the staff who worked there. I remember seeing a Cl.47 going past with a loaded MGR train for Fiddlers Ferry power station. It was a long walk from Guide Bridge station, but loking back I'm glad I went as it was the only time I ever went there when the place was open. IIRC the Cl.08 I took a picture of was stabled next to the signal box, so we didn't hang around too long. That was a good day because when we got back to Guide Bridge the Traffic nmanager there took us around the holding sdgs. There was a mixture of Cl.76s in one line & the other sdgs had l.40s, Cl.47s & some Cl.25s. Ashton Jn signal box which controlled the east end of Guide Bridge station & the loco sdgs looked a forlorn place the last time I went there. The station all of the extensive trackworn had become overgrown with vegitation. It looked more like a ghost town. A very sad sight ompared to when it was full of activity. As for the 'Woodhead Route' come back all is forgiven, the sooner the better, although the trains today would be somewhat different to the 1970s.
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| Woodhead 11/01/2013 at 23:36 #40433 | |
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john_s
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You can find here http://www.lymmobservatory.net/railways/trb_extracts/trb_extracts.htm extracts from various train register books, including one from Penistone Goods in 1969. This gives you a good idea how busy the Woodhead route was in the 1960s. (The book in question extends into January 1970, but sadly does not record the last regular passenger train over Woodhead, as the box was switched out at the time!). Another interesting aspect of this section of line, was that some trains were banked up to Dunford West for a few years after the introduction of through electric services in 1954. One imagines that finding a path for the returning banker was an additional challenge! In later years, trains were only banked as far as West Silkstone Junction. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: JohnMiller |
| Woodhead 12/11/2013 at 17:42 #51430 | |
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JohnMiller
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I sneaked Steve Philpot (Deltic Basher Grantham)on board for a ride on the Tinsley Deepcar with 76051 at the helm .. here's a Pic at Shepcote Lane
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| Woodhead 12/11/2013 at 17:44 #51431 | |
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JohnMiller
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& Here on Tinsley Hump 
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| Woodhead 12/11/2013 at 17:46 #51432 | |
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JohnMiller
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& Look what was on the hump at the same time ... rather a catch I say (Steve Philpot Picture)
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| Woodhead 12/11/2013 at 19:19 #51439 | |
Peter Bennet
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" said:& Look what was on the hump at the same time ... rather a catch I say (Steve Philpot Picture)Which one do you know? Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Woodhead 12/11/2013 at 23:19 #51459 | |
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TomOF
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The Woodhead route is one I'd certainly like to create or see done which would make for a nice multiplayer sim(time and other commitments as always the problem). It would probably require a pre 1970 and post 1970 because most passenger trains where withdrawn when Sheffield Victoria shut, but from the mid 70s MGR trains came in with the attendant constraints on the power available in each section and special precautions had to be taken not to put too much load on the system. As always a question of having the signal diagrams, track data and the right timetables to hand... Log in to reply |
| Woodhead 13/11/2013 at 07:54 #51466 | |
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jc92
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another question is what are the sim boundaries? ideally it would need to start at woodhouse East Jcn, and in doing so Include Rotherwood Yard, Darnall TMD, Darnall C&W and sheffield victoria. Would you include the branch through worsbrough dale down towards Wath, and if so, would you include Wath Yard, then theres the cortonwood branch to consider, along with Manvers Main, Dearne Jcn and Mexborough. How far towards Manchester Would it go? broadly speaking a suitable set of signalling diagrams are available, however I'm not sure about detailed information, like locking charts, details of approach controlled signals, ROL routes etc. Tom - the power supply issues were on the wath branch, where 2xCL76s banked 2xCl76s on a full 36(?) wagon set of HAAs, producing a massive power drain, becuase of this, only one train was allowed between Stairfoot and West Silkstone Jcn at a time. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Last edited: 13/11/2013 at 07:55 by jc92 Log in to reply |
| Woodhead 13/11/2013 at 09:22 #51468 | |
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JohnMiller
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I can advise Woodhouse Yard should be included as us Rotherwood guys used to work the local trip from Darnell to Woodhouse with a class 08. Transferring wagons to Darnell shops for repair Orgreaves Colliery would be there too from where we used to work the coke trains to scunthorpe E ... powered normally by a pair of 31s or 37s on occasion. Where to include Tinsley Yard is something else .. local trip T50 / T51 worked from there to Deepcar & return. We use to work the 08 Pilot between Oughtibridge & Wadsley Bridge to shunt the engineering yard Is not some of this already on the Sheffield Sim though Log in to reply |
| Woodhead 13/11/2013 at 16:06 #51480 | |
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Class 92
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I agree I would love to see Woodhead, it would be difficault to get the information though but you could make a little bit up if unsure?
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| Woodhead 16/11/2013 at 01:20 #51592 | |
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JohnMiller
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Peter, I Just been advised it is 40187 on Tinsley Hump
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