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| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 21/12/2009 at 15:05 #416 | |
Charlytos
268 posts |
Train 1L20S has entrance from Ironville over 00:01, destination Nottingham 4. Well, I give route by goods line, because cannot get route to Main line simulation doesn't accept it. Immediately, when trains enters on screen, pressing F5 key, appears detail, 1 train wrong route. I think that is 1L20S, because other train cannot be. I have proved not select track to goods line, using F2 for that train, options Pass red signal and shunt ahead, but train doesn't make movement. For my reason is other bug of Trent simulation, equivalent to Longborough platform 2, getting message of wrong platform used. Or is any bug of that timetable. I put screen capture of that train on goods line:  Your Spanish friend, Carlos Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 21/12/2009 at 15:05 #5210 | |
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Charlytos
268 posts |
Train 1L20S has entrance from Ironville over 00:01, destination Nottingham 4. Well, I give route by goods line, because cannot get route to Main line simulation doesn't accept it. Immediately, when trains enters on screen, pressing F5 key, appears detail, 1 train wrong route. I think that is 1L20S, because other train cannot be. I have proved not select track to goods line, using F2 for that train, options Pass red signal and shunt ahead, but train doesn't make movement. For my reason is other bug of Trent simulation, equivalent to Longborough platform 2, getting message of wrong platform used. Or is any bug of that timetable. I put screen capture of that train on goods line: Your Spanish friend, Carlos Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 21/12/2009 at 17:45 #5215 | |
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AnyFile
101 posts |
If I remember correctly this problem was already been reported some time ago, on the old forum. You are correct that from Ironville you can not route the train to the main line, but only to the good line. If the driver phone you asking for confirmation to enter the good line, tell him to accept the good line. I think that the simulation is correct (because also in the real life you could exit from this side only to the good line and not to the main line). The problem is in the timetable. A work around would be that the train enter as a different train (for example a train with an headcode starting with 5 and with the option checked to use fight line speed) and then the timetable should have an action to became 1L20S Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 22/12/2009 at 13:03 #5249 | |
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Charlytos
268 posts |
Thanks AnyFile by your answer, is possible how you put that problem be timetable details will be bad put for 1L20S. I shall prove to modify it, selecting option that you have put and look if screen data simulation (F5 key) puts over wrong direction of new. ....... I modified timetable for 1L20S, adding GL line, but continues giving me wrong direction. I am thinking over one train (not remember on this moment its id)that can be cause of wrong direction. On that case, was not the 1L20S. On other conecction shall say over that detail. Your Spanish friend, Carlos Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 23/12/2009 at 17:55 #5307 | |
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nickp
30 posts |
I've had a look at the old forum and found the following (layout slightly edited): Anyfile said:
AndyG said: Hope it proves useful Nick Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 25/12/2009 at 12:10 #5336 | |
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Charlytos
268 posts |
Problem is that appears on window information of simulation (F5 key) marked, 1 train wrong direction. Proved without give entrance to 1L20S and doesn't appear detail 1 train wrong direction. When I give entrance to 1L20S to goods line appears that negative detail. I looked train 0X017 from 2007 timetable v. 3.9 and has same direction that 1L20S. Ignore why appears wrong direction for 1L20S. I added to the first pass point detail by Goods line, editing its timetable by would dissapear that detail of wrong direction, but contines appearing. Happy Christmas Day, friends! Your Spanish friend, Carlos Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 26/12/2009 at 00:46 #5339 | |
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GMac
71 posts |
There's not an easy fix to be honest - it's there to represent the previous night's late Liverpool to Nottingham train (21.35 or thereabouts ex-Lime Street) which reaches Nottingham well after midnight. At the 00.00 start time, it's en-route from Chesterfield to Nottingham, but you can't have a train actually inside the sim at the start of a timetable, so it has either to be inserted at the first available entry point closest to it's real life location or enter at it's normal point (Beighton Jcn in this case) but running very late. Unfortunately Ironville Jcn isn't (in my humble opinion) a suitable entry point due to the aforementioned routing issue - it would be better having enter in it's usual point and put up with the delay..... GM Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 28/12/2009 at 10:25 #5370 | |
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Charlytos
268 posts |
Thanks Gmac to clarify the problem, putting any ideas over this problem. We will to continue playing simulation, acception that negative detail of train on wrong direction for 1L20S.
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| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 07/01/2010 at 13:12 #5570 | |
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Charlytos
268 posts |
New train with problems, 5R50S (same timetable mentioned on title of this threat). This trains has entrance from Nottingham TMD zone, goes to Nottingham 5 pl, decouples and wait until 5 hours its departure. Minutes after arrives from same TMD zone train 5M85, stops on Nottingham 5 pl too, destination Sileby. Problem 1. Is that 5M85 cannot to make departure (00:20 hours), because has in front off 5R50S with its divided trains. Where do send I 5R50S? Parcel siding cannot be, because after arrives 5S03 which goes to Parcel siding. Problem 2. Other train (I don't remember its ID) goes from Sileby to Nottingham 5 pl too, arriving a few after that 5M85 have its departure, with next ID and destination in short time. Only how possible is for my reason, to modify 5R50S timetable, from TMD entrance to Nottingham 6 (pass point), partial destination to Nottingham up goods line, waiting until 4,30 approximately there and reverse to Nottingham 5 pl making the decouples. Anyone can to give me idea over problem with this train? Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 14/01/2010 at 11:32 #5855 | |
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KurtDS
49 posts |
"Monday Timetable (Trent) 1L20S at Mansfield (NTNGMJN) The line is specified as SL (slow). However form the slow line it is not possible to get to the platform 5 of Nottingham. " In older timetables this genuinely appears in the working timetable. It is the responsibility of the on duty signaller to spot these WTT mistakes, and take appropriate actions. Therefore the timetables have not been corrected. Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 14/01/2010 at 12:50 #5866 | |
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Charlytos
268 posts |
Kurtds, you have not understood well the question, and you put answer over 1L20S, when is refered the last reply mine over 5R50S. Read please, details put on my previous reply over problem found with 5R50S. 1L20S has arrive on Nottingham platform 4, making decoupling train after be stopped. Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 14/01/2010 at 18:08 #5873 | |
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Noisynoel
989 posts |
Carlos, Kurts reply stands for the issue over 5R50 & 5M85. These are the platforms that the trains are shown to depart from in the Working Timetable issued by Network Rail, which I have duplicated religiously, so, as Kurt says, KurtDS said: i.e it is down to you to replatform the trains accordingly, there is after all 6. This is exactly what the signallertrs at Trent would do with these trains in real life.. replatfrom them.. Noisynoel Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 15/01/2010 at 12:33 #5888 | |
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Charlytos
268 posts |
Noisynoel, on my last reply to Kurtds, only put mention over 1L20S, that on my previous reply had mentioned only over problem with 5R50S. The last paragraph of Kurtds, didn't make mention because was not necessary. Thanks to clarify details over last paragraph of Kurtds.
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| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 07/02/2010 at 10:39 #6496 | |
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grahamj42
130 posts |
Here is a workround for the problem with 1L20S: In the timetable editor, duplicate 1L20S without changing the ID or time. Edit the copy, changing the ID to 5L20X (there is already a 5L20S), then edit the Trowell Junction location to make it a stop with an activity of Next Train 1L20S and a stopping position of Far End (otherwise signal 143, which is approach controlled, will not clear to allow the train to depart). Edit the original 1L20S, changing the entry location to (none), entry time to 00:07 and delete the Langley Mill location. When 5L20X enters, describe it as 1L20. It will travel along the goods line as a class 5 without penalty and, after a brief stop, become a class 1 on entering the main line, without any intervention. Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 07/02/2010 at 17:37 #6507 | |
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Charlytos
268 posts |
Thanks grahamj42 by your suggestion over train 1L20S. I made how you put me, and correct, but you have a small mistake on your text: 1L20S departure from Trowell Jn, you put edit entry location (none), correct and after to put entry time 00:07. I have put entry time to 00:07, train changes logical id from 5L20X to 1L20S, but signal Trowell Jn continues red. Proved entry time 00:00, then when is departure time signal mentioned is put green correctly. Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 10/02/2010 at 15:29 #6582 | |
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Charlytos
268 posts |
New train problem found, 5M06, this ID is used on 2 different trains: * 1L20S, arrive Nottingham 4, next train 5M06, departure 4:06, destination Dore * 5M06A, entrance from Eastcroft TMD over 3:55 or 4:00, Nottingham 4, departure 4:06, destination Dore Both trains having different origin, have same deptarture time and same destination from same Nottingham platform 4. For my reason, is bug of timetable. Best would be delete 5M06 with entrance from Eastcroft TMD. Continuing on platform the other 5M06 that was next train of previous 1L20S. Is just to make it so? Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 25/02/2010 at 13:53 #6937 | |
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KurtDS
49 posts |
Use a different platform
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| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 26/02/2010 at 18:08 #6972 | |
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Charlytos
268 posts |
Timetable Trent 2009 monday. Kurtds, 5M06 from 1L20 S, and 5M06 from Eastcroft TMD entrance use same platform 4, both trains have equal time departure, equal relations of pass points and equal destination Dore. The unique difference is that first 5M06 is next train from 1L20 and second 5M06 is direct ID 5M06. For my reason duplicated train. Equal that 5M06 problem is with 5W00 trains, firs has entrance from Eastcroft TMD 5W00S, to Nottingham UM, after reverse to Parcel siding, divide train, one to Nottingham 3 and the other to platform 2, 3rd train waiting on parcel siding. From platform 3 has departure 5W00 to 04:38. Passed certain time, has entrance from Eastcroft TMD 5W00A, destination UM platform, after from 281 signal, return to Nottingham not putting which platform I send it to platform 4 that is free on that moment. Divided on 3 trains: 5W00, 2W01 and 5L08, equal that 5W00A that was stopped on platform 3. Then we have 2 trains 5M06 same departure pass points and destination and 5W00 and 5W00, which have same next trains I don't understand that, Kurtds. For my reason is bug from 2009 monday timetable. Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 26/02/2010 at 18:35 #6973 | |
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lpeters
160 posts |
Some timetables have trains that run as required (when they're needed) and these may have different headcodes but same timetables in essence. For example, in KingsX there's a morning/afternoon run as required ECS service to Letchworth or Moorgate, which i'm guessing is to cover for any unit that may have been taken off the rails. You'll probably find that it is that that causes the duplicate timetables. Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 27/02/2010 at 01:49 #6985 | |
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UKTrainMan
1803 posts |
Charlytos said:New train problem found, 5M06, this ID is used on 2 different trains:I could be wrong here but are you sure that 5M06 doesn't come out of Eastcroft TMD and then forms 1L20S in the platform? The reason I say this is because some TT writers show a trains arrival time at a location and also the later departure time of the new working. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 27/02/2010 at 16:37 #7004 | |
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Charlytos
268 posts |
Ipeters I have looked both trains 5M06 and none of same have marked run as required or special and on same looked both trains 5W00 and none have marked run as required or special. UKtrianman, 1LS0S arrived Nottingham 4, next 2 trains: * 5L20S, departure from platform 4 to Eascroft TMD on short time * 5M06, continues stopped in Nottingham 4, departure 4:06 for Dore 5M06A, entrance from Eastcroft TMD 4:01 to Nottingham 4, both 5M06 have same departure, pass points time and destination. Kurtds put me send second 5M06A to other platform, but its timetable is to go Nottingham 4. To send it to other platform, have to disable timetable of second train and then send it from Eastcroft TMD entrance to Nottingham platform 5 that is free on that moment and enable it of new its timetable. Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 01/03/2010 at 09:06 #7021 | |
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GoochyB
222 posts |
Charlytos said:To send it to other platform, have to disable timetable of second train and then send it from Eastcroft TMD entrance to Nottingham platform 5 that is free on that moment and enable it of new its timetable. You shouldn't have to disable/abandon timetable to send it to a different platform. I do recall the last time I played this timetable having this happen, with 2 trains on the same timetable and reporting code heading to Dore, so the timetable details Carlos is describing do sound familiar. Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 04/03/2010 at 23:39 #7082 | |
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Lardybiker
771 posts |
Check the rules tab of the TT to see if the trains have got rules which relate to either train. Special instructions and running on x% of the time is only part of whether a train runs or not. 5M06A and 5M06 are not the same train as far as SimSig is concerned. They will appear on the track display as the same as the areas on the screen that show train descriptions, called berths, are only 4 characters long so 5M60A will only ever show as 5M60 even if it really is 5M60A. You can name trains longer than the 4 displayed digits but the extra don't get shown. This is done frequently in TT's for various reasons. However, a quick look at the train list will show a trains full correct ID so if 5M60 and 5M60A are both running, both should appear correctly in the train list. Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 06/03/2010 at 19:50 #7128 | |
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Charlytos
268 posts |
Over 5M06A and 5W00 mentioned previously, thanks by diiferent help replies put over those trains. I began a new session, 1L20S arrived to platform 4, and next train 5M06A and other train that has destination Eastcroft TMD exit. Over 3:55 approximately enters the 5M06A from Eastcroft TMD direction platform 4, equal the previous 5M06 divided from 1L20S. Train 5M06A was routed to platform 5, free on that moment, how put me Brian Gooch. Sincerely don't understand why 2 trains with same departure, pass points and destination times. If none of same is running how special or required. If would have any join activity for both trains then I should understand it! On same details over 5W00 and 5W00S next train 5W00!... Log in to reply |
| TT may 2009 monday, train 1L20S 13/05/2010 at 14:02 #9128 | |
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Charlytos
268 posts |
Friends, passed one year over problem train 1L20S and other trains, I put an indirect question over same. Repeat the put the passed year for than users have not to read it all of new: 1) That train 5R50S doesn't let departure to 5M85, because both trains use the same Nottingham platform 5. Fixed this problem so: 5R50S timetable changed, from Eastcroft tmd entrance to platform 6 line, then to good line and waiting there several hours. After will go to Nottingham 5 from that platform. Then 5M85 arrives to free platform 5 having just departure without problems!... 2) Several trains with same departure time in Nottingham platforms. First 1L20S, which divided 2 trains, one goes to Eastcroft tmd, the other 5M06 stands in platform 4. More later one 5M06A has entrance from Eastcroft tmd, Nottingham 4 and Next train 5M06 too. Equal that 5M06 divided from 1L20S, same time departure and destination. Same problem with 5R50S entrance from Eastcroft tmd and more later, same entrance ffor 5R50A (didn't put which platform is this train). Both trains 5R50 have same time departure and destination. 3) Fixing problems mentioned point 2). I made creation of rule for both trains, train X must not run if train Y run. 4) Current question. Mentioned previous details, question is on creation rule for 1L20S. Having in mind, that 1L20S was duplicated, being 5L20X the ID copied. Then entrance 5L20X, Trowell Jn next train 1L20S, destination Nottingham platform 4. The question is really the next: must not train 5M06A if runs train Y, which train ID put for Y, entrance: 5L20X, 1L20S or departure stopped 5M06 on Nottingham 4?... For my reason this problem is mistake of timetable. If 5R50S would have its departure time and destination and 5R50A would have different departure time and destination than 5R50S, then both trains would have coherent timetables. But 2 mentioned trains with equal ID but different last letter ID and same departure time and destination, for my reason is incoherent, is bug of monday 2009 timetable!... Log in to reply |