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Some questions 19/02/2014 at 00:15 #55770
CTCThiago
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232 posts 		Hello Simsig Team,

I have a couple of questions about King's Cross:

1. Why "Arlesey" and "Biggleswade" aren't on the sim (like in the real IECC)?

2. Why Platform numbers, paths, lines, are missing at most of the stations (TT code)?

Note: Hope you guys don't take these questions in a bad way, I'm just asking, because i see full information on payware sims and the freeware sims we are missing some info. Just out of curiosity. I'm open for discussion.

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CTC.
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Some questions 19/02/2014 at 00:19 #55771
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1804 posts 		" said:
1. Why "Arlesey" and "Biggleswade" aren't on the sim (like in the real IECC)?
I believe that this may hark back to the days of the paged simulations (KX used to be paged); AIUI paged simulations had a limit of 6 screens/views, and so there wasn't enough space to fit Arlesey and Biggleswade in.
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Some questions 19/02/2014 at 06:29 #55776
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5437 posts 		Correct, and why Royston is separate too. The codes are required by ARS so mandatory in those Sims, optional in KX.

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Some questions 19/02/2014 at 07:41 #55779
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707 posts 		" said:
...(like in the real IECC)?

It's not an IECC, it's an NX Panel. Photo

However, this Photo shows a WestCAD workstation in place. I don't know if that is in use, yet.
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Some questions 19/02/2014 at 09:17 #55783
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5437 posts 		" said:

However, this Photo shows a WestCAD workstation in place. I don't know if that is in use, yet.
It is - it works the Hertford loop, I guess added in connection with the test signalling they have near Watton.

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Some questions 19/02/2014 at 18:02 #55820
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771 posts 		" said:

2. Why Platform numbers, paths, lines, are missing at most of the stations (TT code)?
They aren't missing. They aren't needed. Not all stations require platform numbers and line codes for timetabling. This is true of most simulations not just Kings Cross.

That said, there are several factors that affect this though, the most obvious being if the sim has ARS or not. If it does, there is a lot more detail required so that ARS code can correctly route trains so more of this data is needed.

For non-ARS sims, it's down to whether it's needed for timetabling. Stations on plain lines generally won't include platform numbers for timetabling or in the sim as the trains can only stop at a particular platform depending on the direction they are traveling so adding a platform number doesn't give the signaler any additional useful information but does add to the data required to be entered, increases input time to add said data and and gives a further opportunity to get something wrong.

However, where trains have a choice of platforms such as Hertford, Welwyn and Stevenage the platform will be included as this is required information for the signaler to route the train properly.
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Some questions 19/02/2014 at 18:43 #55822
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1461 posts 		There's also the fact it's quite pointless a lot of the time. If a train leaves New Barnet bound for the Down Slow, I don't need to be told what line/platform it will be on at Hadley Wood or Potters Bar - there's no other choice! However, at Welwyn Garden City, a platform number is required as there are multiple valid choices. Timetables also tend to omit line/platform codes when a train does not change line, meaning that the reader can quickly spot locations where attention is needed, rather than trying to find a "DF" entry in the middle of a column of repeated "DS" entries.
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Some questions 19/02/2014 at 22:39 #55843
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232 posts 		" said:
[quote="CTCThiago" post=55770]...(like in the real IECC)?

It's not an IECC, it's an NX Panel. Photo

Thanks for the correction. I meant PSB.
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Some questions 19/02/2014 at 22:42 #55844
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232 posts 		" said:
There's also the fact it's quite pointless a lot of the time. If a train leaves New Barnet bound for the Down Slow, I don't need to be told what line/platform it will be on at Hadley Wood or Potters Bar - there's no other choice! However, at Welwyn Garden City, a platform number is required as there are multiple valid choices. Timetables also tend to omit line/platform codes when a train does not change line, meaning that the reader can quickly spot locations where attention is needed, rather than trying to find a "DF" entry in the middle of a column of repeated "DS" entries.
I get the point Danny, its all about the essential information, not additional or unusual information.

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Some questions 19/02/2014 at 23:48 #55851
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19 posts 		Running loader 4.0.27 (probably not relevant, but I'll include it anyway), and v3.3 of KX in Modern mode. Potters Bar station isn't labelled, so I've added a sticky-note.
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Some questions 20/02/2014 at 01:20 #55859
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Running loader 4.0.27 (probably not relevant, but I'll include it anyway), and v3.3 of KX in Modern mode. Potters Bar station isn't labelled, so I've added a sticky-note.
This has already been mentioned here, where it is also mentioned about the missing label at Welham Green too. ;)

Potters Bar's missing label has also been mentioned here, here, here, and finally here.
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Some questions 20/02/2014 at 16:20 #55881
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310 posts 		" said:
Potters Bar's missing label has also been mentioned here, here, here, and finally here.
The emergency exits to Potters Bar are... *points*
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Some questions 20/02/2014 at 18:33 #55883
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...(like in the real IECC)?

It's not an IECC, it's an NX Panel. Photo

However, this Photo shows a WestCAD workstation in place. I don't know if that is in use, yet.
You would think on the official media website they would have the signallers actually looking what they are doing!
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Some questions 20/02/2014 at 22:55 #55895
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707 posts 		" said:
You would think on the official media website they would have the signallers actually looking what they are doing!
You only need to look when setting a route
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Some questions 29/04/2014 at 20:25 #59768
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232 posts 		Another questions: (I'll not open another topic, as we don't need so many topics on the same subject)

1. Route set:

K296(main w/ shunt) to K18 (shunt)
K294(main w/ shunt) to K16 (shunt)
K292(main w/ shunt) to K14 (shunt)
K290(main w/ shunt) to K12 (shunt)

in the real life, the signaller can do this type of route? if yes, this can be included on the next update of KX?

2. Bounds Green Depot, Ferme Park CS, Hertford North CHS (Up), Hornsey EMUD, Letchworth CS and Welwyn G.C Sidings:

If possible, can we have the non-TC layout of these yards? to manage the ECS planning and check if any stock is available?

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Some questions 29/04/2014 at 20:39 #59769
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6418 posts 		" said:
Another questions: (I'll not open another topic, as we don't need so many topics on the same subject)

1. Route set:

K296(main w/ shunt) to K18 (shunt)
K294(main w/ shunt) to K16 (shunt)
K292(main w/ shunt) to K14 (shunt)
K290(main w/ shunt) to K12 (shunt)

in the real life, the signaller can do this type of route? if yes, this can be included on the next update of KX?
Generally these types of routes (main to shunt signal on running line) are not allowed. They're for setting back into the station, for example to move stock from one platform to another.


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2. Bounds Green Depot, Ferme Park CS, Hertford North CHS (Up), Hornsey EMUD, Letchworth CS and Welwyn G.C Sidings:

If possible, can we have the non-TC layout of these yards? to manage the ECS planning and check if any stock is available?
In the sim these are all simulated as exit/entry point - trains fall off, or they enter there. The issue with each of these locations is that there are multiple sidings where set swaps can take place, trains can be divided or joined, or any other activities which are beyond the realms of a signaller. All he cares about (roughly) is that he gets a train presented to him at the boundary (exit signal) at the right time and generally in a formation that he expects (ie EMU rather than a DMU, for example)!

There is a function in code to handle rolling stock accounting but that's more suited to one- or two-road stabling sidings where joining/dividing/setswapping is unlikely to take place.
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Some questions 29/04/2014 at 20:51 #59770
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771 posts 		Further to Geoff's comments, the functions you refer to are typically dealt with by the TOC (train operating company) and not the signaler hence why such facilities aren't included in the sim.
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Some questions 29/04/2014 at 21:04 #59771
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232 posts 		" said:
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Another questions: (I'll not open another topic, as we don't need so many topics on the same subject)

1. Route set:

K296(main w/ shunt) to K18 (shunt)
K294(main w/ shunt) to K16 (shunt)
K292(main w/ shunt) to K14 (shunt)
K290(main w/ shunt) to K12 (shunt)

in the real life, the signaller can do this type of route? if yes, this can be included on the next update of KX?
Generally these types of routes (main to shunt signal on running line) are not allowed. They're for setting back into the station, for example to move stock from one platform to another.


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2. Bounds Green Depot, Ferme Park CS, Hertford North CHS (Up), Hornsey EMUD, Letchworth CS and Welwyn G.C Sidings:

If possible, can we have the non-TC layout of these yards? to manage the ECS planning and check if any stock is available?
In the sim these are all simulated as exit/entry point - trains fall off, or they enter there. The issue with each of these locations is that there are multiple sidings where set swaps can take place, trains can be divided or joined, or any other activities which are beyond the realms of a signaller. All he cares about (roughly) is that he gets a train presented to him at the boundary (exit signal) at the right time and generally in a formation that he expects (ie EMU rather than a DMU, for example)!

There is a function in code to handle rolling stock accounting but that's more suited to one- or two-road stabling sidings where joining/dividing/setswapping is unlikely to take place.
Thanks for clarify!
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Some questions 29/04/2014 at 21:43 #59772
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2825 posts 		" said:
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Another questions: (I'll not open another topic, as we don't need so many topics on the same subject)

1. Route set:

K296(main w/ shunt) to K18 (shunt)
K294(main w/ shunt) to K16 (shunt)
K292(main w/ shunt) to K14 (shunt)
K290(main w/ shunt) to K12 (shunt)

in the real life, the signaller can do this type of route? if yes, this can be included on the next update of KX?
Generally these types of routes (main to shunt signal on running line) are not allowed. They're for setting back into the station, for example to move stock from one platform to another.

I thought these ones at KX were allowed. But I have to admit I can't remember why I thought that. And the buttons only seem to have an entry arrow on them.
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