Changes to train classification

I think the classification for Class 3 is a bit debatable, as a Class 3 EMU/DMU/etc is ECS under most circumstances - I'm not sure that any current SimSig TT includes them as passenger, but quite a number have them as ECS (only the ELL has them as passengers for now, correct?).

For example, I think quite a number of KX TTs have Class 3s running on goods lines - I believe that these would all start refusing to run on those lines now, as they'd be considered as Passenger trains unless each TT was edited?

We know that trains on Wembley Sub using existing TTs now throw a wobbly when asked to use a goods line such as on entry at Watford Jn Sdgs..

Experiment shows that ticking the "can use freight lines" box in the train type allows all trains of that formation to use goods lines without query.

This means that there is effectively a blanket answer by modifying the train type rather than having to edit each individual TT. Have I got that one right and will that change in the next update?

Following on from that, have I got it right that Class 9 trains will run at Passenger speeds unless the "Use freight linespeeds" box is checked in either individual TT or train type?

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We know that trains on Wembley Sub using existing TTs now throw a wobbly when asked to use a goods line such as on entry at Watford Jn Sdgs..

Right.

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Experiment shows that ticking the "can use freight lines" box in the train type allows all trains of that formation to use goods lines without query.

I haven't tested that, but I won't doubt you.

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This means that there is effectively a blanket answer by modifying the train type rather than having to edit each individual TT. Have I got that one right and will that change in the next update?

I don't think it is the right answer, because the same formation is sometimes allowed on goods lines (when running as ECS) and sometimes not (when running as passenger).

What I've done for WembleySub, and will release when it's tested, is:
* Written an empty timetable with the right class of service rules for the area.
* Merged that into the existing timetable; that solves most of the problems.
* Explicitly set 105 services to be ECS instead of passenger (these are the Harrow reversers; whilst most LU ECS services have a distinguishing first letter, Knnn is normally a service train but can be the ECS move at Harrow). Yes, that was one hundred and five edits by hand!

This is the sort of approach I suggest that people follow (though they may want to do a temporary fix until then).

The handling of train categories and the "can use goods lines" flag isn't changing, at least as part of this. But train categories don't affect the class of service.

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Following on from that, have I got it right that Class 9 trains will run at Passenger speeds unless the "Use freight linespeeds" box is checked in either individual TT or train type?

Trains run at freight speeds if that box is ticked, or passenger speeds if it isn't. Both of these are subject to any enhanced or differential speed limits in effect. For example, much of WembleySub has an enhanced speed limit for trains with TRIP or METRO set; this overrides the normal speed limits.

The speed a train runs at is unaffected by its class of service.

Hope that helps.

If I have got it right, the writer of future TTs will have to create a train type for use on say DMU or EMU Class 2 workings with the relevant tick-box checked then use the same train type manually edited to remove the DMU or EMU checkbox when writing the ECS TT.

Thinking on from that (and noting the large number of manual edits you have had to make in the Wembley Sub TT),

is there a longer term plan to simplify the process of updating TTs? If there is nothing "automated" that can be done, is it possible to edit the underlying XML file rather than having the sim open and updating each train TT through F4?

Class 3 ECS shouldn't be running over goods lines, could that be the sandite trains on KGX?

For example, I think quite a number of KX TTs have Class 3s running on goods lines - I believe that these would all start refusing to run on those lines now, as they'd be considered as Passenger trains unless each TT was edited?

• Passenger trains and class 5 ECS - works as is


• Class 3 ECS - maybe tick can use freight


• Normal freight - works as is (maybe except steam-hauled?)


• Mail trains served by an EMU - tick EMU and Can use freight

That won't be a problem - there aren't any goods-only running lines on KX (maybe some sidings are goods only). And anyway, those class 3's won't have any speed class.

That won't be a problem - there aren't any goods-only running lines on KX (maybe some sidings are goods only)

With the new west coast timetable instead of 1G to Birmingham our headcodes are now 9G Scottish trains are 9S and Scotland toward Euston via Birmingham are 9M
There are still the odd empty pendiono or voyager ecs to Euston
5A24 still runs

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With the new west coast timetable instead of 1G to Birmingham our headcodes are now 9G Scottish trains are 9S and Scotland toward Euston via Birmingham are 9M
There are still the odd empty pendiono or voyager ecs to Euston
5A24 still runs

Wells, Virgin class 9 trains to Scotland are routed via Birmingham NS, Class 1's are not.

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For example, I think quite a number of KX TTs have Class 3s running on goods lines - I believe that these would all start refusing to run on those lines now, as they'd be considered as Passenger trains unless each TT was edited?

That won't be a problem - there aren't any goods-only running lines on KX (maybe some sidings are goods only). And anyway, those class 3's won't have any speed class.

So the consequences for mere mortals are

• Passenger trains and class 5 ECS - works as is


• Class 3 ECS - maybe tick can use freight


• Normal freight - works as is (maybe except steam-hauled?)


• Mail trains served by an EMU - tick EMU and Can use freight

Is that correct?

Any non passenger train, can use goods-lines, no matter of its power source (electric, Diesel and steam).

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Wells, Virgin class 9 trains to Scotland are routed via Birmingham NS, Class 1's are not.

Except when class 9s take the "direct" route when running late, it's happened several times lately.

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That won't be a problem - there aren't any goods-only running lines on KX (maybe some sidings are goods only)

There is the Up Goods (which only recently has been converted to the Up Slow 2), which is used by quite a lot of ECS trains.

Why wouldn't they have speed classes? If an EMU has a speed class in Passenger Service, it surely has the same speed class when empty!

• The nearest to KNGX you get EMU speeds is north of Baldock and


• even that isn't implemented in the sim

There's the Up Goods and Down Goods and both of these can be used for passenger moves with no problem. They have overlaps, everything.

It also looks like upon conversion to passenger status some overlaps were lengthened (noticeably in-sim around Harringay, Finsbury Park and Holloway North), including the removal of the trap points at Holloway North Jn.

I would suggest nobody would bother clicking any speed classes. I checked, however, and stand corrected, that the author of the King's+Cross+Autumn+2014+v1.0.WTT timetable was such zealot - there's even an apparently HST class 6! Other than that, none of the KX timetables I have ever downloaded and played have any speed classes.

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It also looks like upon conversion to passenger status some overlaps were lengthened (noticeably in-sim around Harringay, Finsbury Park and Holloway North), including the removal of the trap points at Holloway North Jn.

Not sure if you are referring to the visual representation of the track on KX or some other data but just to be clear,