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| London Underground Met Line 31/03/2010 at 18:55 #1029 | |
met09
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I was think that the London Underground would be a good SimSig game to have built on the met line. As i have seen on other pages people have said that LU would be dull to have and the trains only going to one place with the met line you can have trains going in diffrent places. The pest part of the line would be between Harrow-on-the-Hill - Uxbridge - Watford v- Amersham - Chesham or the whole line. Tell me what you think as i have the whole digram of the whole line with where all the signals and points are. Let me know if this is a good idea. Log in to reply |
| London Underground Met Line 31/03/2010 at 18:55 #8020 | |
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met09
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I was think that the London Underground would be a good SimSig game to have built on the met line. As i have seen on other pages people have said that LU would be dull to have and the trains only going to one place with the met line you can have trains going in diffrent places. The pest part of the line would be between Harrow-on-the-Hill - Uxbridge - Watford v- Amersham - Chesham or the whole line. Tell me what you think as i have the whole digram of the whole line with where all the signals and points are. Let me know if this is a good idea. Log in to reply |
| London Underground Met Line 31/03/2010 at 23:52 #8029 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Sounds like quite a good idea actually. Based on some videos I have seen on YouTube recently some of the Metropolitan Line trains can travel at around 70mph if running the fast service from Finchley Road to Harrow-On-The-Hill or Harrow-On-The-Hill to Moor Park. Of course if it included the right section then there would also be the Chiltern Railways Class 165s on the services from Marylebone to Aylesbury(?) so would add to the amount of trains too. +1 from me for this idea! Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| London Underground Met Line 01/04/2010 at 18:54 #8065 | |
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met09
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I have also been asking other companys to build the met like as i think it would be a great think to have as you never see anything based on the London Underground and you have so meany diffrent trains going all diffrent ways and from Baker Street you have the Circle Line and the Hamersmith & City Line running down to Aldgate and the Hammersmith & City line they go down to Aldgate East so loads to signal. 
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| London Underground Met Line 01/04/2010 at 19:08 #8066 | |
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met09
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Also forgot to say in my last post you have the Piccidally Line coming into Rayners Lane down to Ruislip Siding and also down to Uxbridge and you also have the Jubliee Lien Running from Webmly Park down to Finchley Road where they then go underground so there are loads of diffrent line to singal while you are signaling the Met line.
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| London Underground Met Line 01/04/2010 at 19:32 #8068 | |
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UKTrainMan
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met09 said:I have also been asking other companys to build the met like as i think it would be a great think to have as you never see anything based on the London Underground and you have so meany diffrent trains going all diffrent ways and from Baker Street you have the Circle Line and the Hamersmith & City Line running down to Aldgate and the Hammersmith & City line they go down to Aldgate East so loads to signal. :)You may have overlooked Drain which is the whole of the Waterloo & City London Underground Line including the depot at Waterloo. Doing the whole of the Metropolitan line would probably make the simulation absolutely massive and of course that would mean more work for any developer. A section of the line is probably do-able but surely not the whole of the line. I'd think that from Harrow-On-The-Hill country-bound would be OK but heading London-bound from said location would surely be rather mundane. met09 said: Also forgot to say in my last post you have the Piccidally Line coming into Rayners Lane down to Ruislip Siding and also down to Uxbridge and you also have the Jubliee Lien Running from Webmly Park down to Finchley Road where they then go underground so there are loads of diffrent line to singal while you are signaling the Met line.That caught me out the other day, it turns out that many of the Piccadilly line trains just turn around at Rayners Lane...but of course covering that adds to the fun as you have to watch out with letting the train out of the Head Shunt(?) since I believe that they are limited to 15mph (i.e: shunt speed) or somewhere around that speed? Still, I do like this idea. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| London Underground Met Line 01/04/2010 at 19:56 #8070 | |
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lpeters
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Drain doesn't do Waterloo & City in any great detail though. I don't know the line very well but i'm 99% certain it has more than 2 stops.
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| London Underground Met Line 01/04/2010 at 20:18 #8073 | |
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sloppyjag
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It has exactly 2 stops, Waterloo and City.
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| London Underground Met Line 01/04/2010 at 20:21 #8074 | |
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met09
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I hate to say the Waterloo & City Line only goes from Bank to Waterloo and the Depo where as if we have somthing like the Met Line for SimSig it would be great as all the signals would be in the right place and you would see how the real met line is layed out as i have the real London Underground track digram.
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| London Underground Met Line 01/04/2010 at 20:26 #8077 | |
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lpeters
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I stand corrected; next question - what's the point of a 2 stop line? That just makes it look like the developers were too lazy to make it any better.
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| London Underground Met Line 01/04/2010 at 20:28 #8078 | |
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met09
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I don't know why really but you could have more trains running but that is how it is layed out in real life but the computer seams to do it all for you are i am playing it, andf i have to say we need a diffrent London Underground Line on SimSig to make things diffrent than just main line trains.
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| London Underground Met Line 01/04/2010 at 20:30 #8079 | |
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lpeters
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If I was able to develop SimSig (knew how and stuff) i'd quite happily develop the whole LUL network if i could get signal numbers.
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| London Underground Met Line 01/04/2010 at 20:34 #8081 | |
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met09
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Well i would do the same, i know this one softwear where you are able to build your own line if you go to this link http://www.pcrail.co.uk/develop/index.htm the softwear is hard to use but have a go and tell me what you think.
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| London Underground Met Line 02/04/2010 at 05:09 #8097 | |
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Zoe
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From what I remember a few years back when the idea of a simulation was discussed elsewhere, London Underground would not want a public simulation of their network released. TfL are not known to be the most tolerant over things like this, one person was served with a cease and desist simply for posting parodies of the map online.
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| London Underground Met Line 02/04/2010 at 06:22 #8098 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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lpeters said:If I was able to develop SimSig (knew how and stuff) i'd quite happily develop the whole LUL network if i could get signal numbers. It takes a lot more than just the signal numbers - TC lengths, overlaps etc Log in to reply |
| London Underground Met Line 02/04/2010 at 12:10 #8107 | |
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lpeters
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Yes I know that, but if I could get signal numbers, it'd be 1 huge step closer because unless you have diagrams and schematics of the entire network you've got to walk down every single tunnel and along every single line. That is a LOT of miles. So if I had diagrams/schematics; it's likely that i'd at least have a rough idea of TC lengths.
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| London Underground Met Line 02/04/2010 at 15:25 #8114 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Does London Underground signalling not follow the same principles as British Rail(?) signalling..? By that I mean that if you take a location such as Stevenage station on the East Coast Main Line the signal numbers follow a certain pattern, for example the down signals are odds and the up signals are evens and they have a difference of two between them in each direction. By that I mean that the Down Slow starting signal on Platform 4 is 665 and then the Down Fast starting signal on Platform 3 is 667 then the next signals are 669 and 671 then 673 and 675 then 677 and 679 respectively, and so and so forth. Surely if you found the signal numbers out at the stations then you travel on-board a train in the rear of the 1st carriage / front of the second carriage and you should just about be able to hear the hissing of the trip cock (?) raising back up after the front of the train passes it then you could possibly work out the signal numbers from that (count the number of signals you passed and then work out the difference in numbers between the starting signal of the previous station and the starting signal of the next station). Hope that makes sense? Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| London Underground Met Line 02/04/2010 at 15:52 #8118 | |
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lpeters
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That's the problem though, there's no definitive way of working out how many signals we have to pass. And also, don't forget that they often tripcocks for major speed changes. And i'm not sure if all of the lines on the LUL even have a tripcock system.
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| London Underground Met Line 03/04/2010 at 08:38 #8140 | |
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metcontrol
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All LUL lines are equipped with the trainstop/tripcock system. As for signalling, we have a great many more signals than the national network - especially in the central area - simply because we get trains closer together and need to maintain a line capacity far greater than the national network. In a typical "controlled" area, the signalling does have a "sequence" to it - but it may not always offer sequential numbering in the way NR has. Between controlled areas we have "automatic" signals, which put simply are 2-aspect and are uncontrolled other than by the track circuitry for that area (similar to NR areas that work in much the same way). If you were able/allowed (because Tfl/LUL are not keen on such ideas) to do a sim covering, say, the Metropolitan line from Baker Street to the branches of Uxbridge, Watford and Amersham (not forgetting Chesham) the whole thing would be an immense task, and would offer something I doubt one person could operate alone - not unless most areas were ARS operated. The simple off-peak timetable has services off of Baker Street to Amersham every 10/20 minutes, to Uxbridge every 10 minutes, to Watford every 10 minutes, plus a 10/20 minute Piccadilly service coming in at Rayners Lane, with alternates going to Uxbridge. Then there is the Chiltern service to add. Finally, if it was to be realistic, the Met line runs parallel to the Jubilee line between Finchley Road and Wembley Park - and this can be seen by the signallers working the Met. That's another 2-4 minute service to add. Log in to reply |
| London Underground Met Line 03/04/2010 at 16:18 #8148 | |
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met09
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Just a quick question metcontrol. If i was to ask LU/LUL do you think they would let SimSig make a small signaling game?? I know the met line runs with other lines but you could have the game so you was controling from Harrow-on-the-Hill round to Uxbridge - Amersham - Watford and the Chalfont & Latimer line and the overland train but only running into Harrow-on-the-Hill. As i have seen when on the underground you see alot of the Piccadilly Line trains terminate at Rayners Lane and between 5 - 6 i think alot of them terminate at Ruislip Station and some go through to Uxbridge. I think you could handle it alone but youl be hard but it is like all the other SimSig game they are varyed in skill level.
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| London Underground Met Line 03/04/2010 at 16:21 #8149 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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No point asking if you can't develop, and the developers time is pretty full at the moment, with other sims.
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| London Underground Met Line 03/04/2010 at 16:26 #8151 | |
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met09
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Well you never know unless you ask, well that is fine but when they are finnished they may want to do another SimSig and they may think this is a good eida.
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| London Underground Met Line 24/10/2010 at 07:28 #12107 | |
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asdff
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I think this is a good idea, but only from Harrow to Uxbridge/Amersham/Chesham/Watford, because it will be much easier than the whole line.
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| London Underground Met Line 24/10/2010 at 16:40 #12110 | |
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MikeW
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Re: Waterloo and City - Replying to Luke 'I stand corrected; next question - what's the point of a 2 stop line? That just makes it look like the developers were too lazy to make it any better.' It was a project developed by the London and South Western Railway for one very specific purpose - getting their passengers from Waterloo to the City. A main line connection would have been prohibitively expensive (and would have been unlikely to get parliamentary approval), so one of the world's very earliest deep level tubes was the ideal solution. It remained part of the LSWR until grouping and then passed to the Southern Railway, and thence to British Railways upon nationalisation. Only became part of LUL relatively recently, hence the lack of integration with the rest of the underground. The subterranean layout at Bank makes any extension very difficult, so it is likely to remain as an apparently illogical isolated stub of a line for the foreseeable future. Mike Log in to reply |
| London Underground Met Line 24/10/2010 at 16:51 #12111 | |
Peter Bennet
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lpeters said:I stand corrected; next question - what's the point of a 2 stop line? That just makes it look like the developers were too lazy to make it any better.First, as recall, it was first provided on a 1st April a few years ago under a suitable title. Second, I recall Clive saying it took 4 hours to do while he was in a boring meeting. Quite why that's lazy I can't see; nor what you have in mind by "making it better". Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |