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Tyneside Q&A and issues

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Tyneside Bugs 26/08/2016 at 11:48 #84260
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1461 posts 		When the route is set from North Road to Heighington, points H30 are correctly locked normal (whether by interlocking or signalman!). However, after a train has come to a stand at H38, the locking on H30 does not release, even after the overlap is shown to release on the IECC side. This makes getting a train into the Hitachi depot rather difficult, as there is no way to timetable a train reverse behind H38 into the siding (hence avoiding locking up H30).

Additionally, setting North Road-Heighington with H30 reverse magically forces H30 to Normal - despite the lever still being reverse!
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Heighington Points 30 26/08/2016 at 12:22 #84263
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4869 posts 		Have run some testing and have confirmed the two issues. Mantis 15621 applies.
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Tyneside Bugs 26/08/2016 at 14:17 #84266
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1461 posts 		When a down train is signalled normally on the Up Main between Ouston and Birtley Jn, the occupation of TC TYBX forces "****" to be interposed at signal 272. This should presumably be suppressed for wrong-direction running. A couple of other nearby sections I tested work as expected.

(I changed the topic title to cover all the little bugs that people will inevitably find, rather than spamming a new topic for each!)
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Tyneside Bugs 26/08/2016 at 14:23 #84267
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4869 posts 		Have confirmed the issue. Mantis 15621 applies. Mantis 15625 applies.
"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
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Tyneside Bugs 26/08/2016 at 16:18 #84272
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1105 posts 		Just been playing tyneside, and noticed a possible issue.

when trains enter at Dn Main Northallerton the track circuit for the up and down and the facing points are ALL occupied





Not sure if happens when train is one the Up Main Northallerton going out of area yet as I only caught a glimps of the issue when 6S24 was entering so I quickly added a train into sim to enter to check if that was the case and it appears so.

If I see the same on train leaving will update post
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Tyneside Q&A and issues 26/08/2016 at 16:34 #84275
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6370 posts 		" said:
Just been playing tyneside, and noticed a possible issue.

when trains enter at Dn Main Northallerton the track circuit for the up and down and the facing points are ALL occupied
Though I never managed to see this at Tyneside IECC, the screen data points to this being correct, if somewhat odd. My contacts are on holiday otherwise I'd check now.
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Tyneside Q&A and issues 26/08/2016 at 16:42 #84276
MarkC
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1105 posts 		" said:
" said:
Just been playing tyneside, and noticed a possible issue.

when trains enter at Dn Main Northallerton the track circuit for the up and down and the facing points are ALL occupied
Though I never managed to see this at Tyneside IECC, the screen data points to this being correct, if somewhat odd. My contacts are on holiday otherwise I'd check now.
On a further note to this when a train exits on the up Main Northallerton the last TC occupied is shown in the green box of Picture below
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Tyneside Bugs 26/08/2016 at 17:12 #84277
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3982 posts 		Couple of questions:

1) Is the yellow board on the Forth Branch representing a fixed distant? I can't find a mention in the manual.
2) What's the purpose of the slot on the siding at Blaydon? I'd assumed it's to allow the signaller there to 'block back' to let a train out of the siding, but it isn't interlocked with the route from 267 to B35.
"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Tyneside Bugs 26/08/2016 at 17:43 #84278
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6370 posts 		" said:
On a further note to this when a train exits on the up Main Northallerton the last TC occupied is shown in the green box of Picture below
Yes.


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Couple of questions:

1) Is the yellow board on the Forth Branch representing a fixed distant? I can't find a mention in the manual.
2) What's the purpose of the slot on the siding at Blaydon? I'd assumed it's to allow the signaller there to 'block back' to let a train out of the siding, but it isn't interlocked with the route from 267 to B35.
1. Fixed distant board.

2. Slot is to allow Blaydon to set a route from the siding to signal 5482. I'll add it to the manual.
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Tyneside Bugs 26/08/2016 at 19:32 #84282
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3982 posts 		" said:
2. Slot is to allow Blaydon to set a route from the siding to signal 5482. I'll add it to the manual.
Thanks. Is the lack of interlocking between the slot and routes from 261 and 267 prototypical?

Incidentally- why does Teeside Airport have an ACI control?
"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Tyneside Bugs 26/08/2016 at 19:42 #84283
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6370 posts 		" said:
Is the lack of interlocking between the slot and routes from 261 and 267 prototypical?
I need to check that.


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Incidentally- why does Teeside Airport have an ACI control?
Pass! The IECC has it there so I dutifully put it in the sim. Maybe there was an intention for trains to change headcode there. Manors too.
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Tyneside Bugs 26/08/2016 at 20:29 #84284
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872 posts 		" said:
Incidentally- why does Teeside Airport have an ACI control?
Pass! The IECC has it there so I dutifully put it in the sim. Maybe there was an intention for trains to change headcode there. Manors too.[/quote]

Just a thought on this one and it could explain this.
Between Dinsdale and Tees-side Airport there was a link between the Dow Mac concrete sleeper works which did come onto the branch line at Oak Tree Junction. Services did start from there and this could explain it as the new service that started there came onto the board the code was automatically inserted. This short stretch of track was part of the original Darlington and Stockton or Stockton and Darlington depending on where you lived.
Similarly there was the sidings of Albright and Wilson Chemical works (With it's large mound of Sulphur clearly visible and next to the line) and also the MOD admiralty supplies depot sidings that came in just after what was Urlay Nook between Tees-side Airport and Allens West. There was passing loops here as well and I do remember seeing these being used.
I do believe that all of these sidings if not operational where still in place at the time of Tyneside inception and this may be why they are there. Excuse me if I am wrong.

One thing I have noticed on this branch is that at Tees-Side Airport similar to the Edinburgh Simulation there is a trip wire at the end of the runway. This if tripped automatically replaces UN959 and UN960 to danger. With this being the overlap between various signalling controls though it might have been difficult to actually put in
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Tyneside Bugs 26/08/2016 at 20:36 #84287
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6370 posts 		" said:
One thing I have noticed on this branch is that at Tees-Side Airport similar to the Edinburgh Simulation there is a trip wire at the end of the runway. This if tripped automatically replaces UN959 and UN960 to danger. With this being the overlap between various signalling controls though it might have been difficult to actually put in
Thanks for the explanation. Regarding the tripwire, you're right - it's on the scheme plan (with the ominous words "when hit"), but it's not shown on the IECC screens.

http://photos.signalling.org/picture?/3770/category/300-signal_box
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Tyneside Bugs 27/08/2016 at 15:50 #84317
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3982 posts 		Is the TC on the approach to H35 supposed to extend all the way to the signal? I replaced 35 as soon as the TC cleared and got a call a few minutes later from the train waiting at signal 35. Strangely, no ACOA was reported.
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Tyneside Bugs 27/08/2016 at 17:02 #84318
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1105 posts 		I have metro train stopped at East Boldon but the train is showing as stopped over the level crossing






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Tyneside Bugs 27/08/2016 at 19:01 #84320
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2077 posts 		This one has been reported on bug tracker previously by AndrewG. #15619
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Tyneside Bugs 27/08/2016 at 19:08 #84321
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1105 posts 		" said:
This one has been reported on bug tracker previously by AndrewG. #15619
I have not seen this one reported in the forums, so I was unaware that it had been reported
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Tyneside Bugs 27/08/2016 at 19:19 #84323
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2077 posts 		He wouldn't have put it on the forum as he has the appropriate bug tracker access, you were right to report it on here.
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repeat of ACOA bug 27/08/2016 at 20:07 #84327
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359 posts 		got a repeat of bug 0014488 got a train over 10 mints when signal get replaced it ACOA
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Tyneside Bugs 27/08/2016 at 20:23 #84328
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1120 posts 		I've got 6E99 in Newcastle at the moment for a crew change now I'm confused...

If you click on the train itself which brings up the stopping pattern, it clearly states Platform 8 for the crew change to take place however the Train List states the same train is in Platform 7 doing the crew change.

So as the train is stopped at signal 486, surely that means it's in Platform 8?

Just wondered if the platforms were done in such a way that Platform 8 was southbound and Platform 7 was northbound, just want to check why I see this.

Apart from that, It's a simulation I never thought would see the light of day so many many many many many thanks to the team for making this possible.
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repeat of ACOA bug 27/08/2016 at 20:47 #84329
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4869 posts 		" said:
got a repeat of bug 0014488 got a train over 10 mints when signal get replaced it ACOA
In understandable terms please?
"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
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repeat of ACOA bug 27/08/2016 at 21:04 #84330
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359 posts 		had a fright train doing a crew change in Newcastle i pulled the signal because i had a anouther fright going though and he was not booked to stop. he was not due to depart for about 20 mints a msg come up say that driver of the 6E93 has received a advest change of aspect i should not be getting this msg as it 20 mints before his dep time
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repeat of ACOA bug 27/08/2016 at 21:07 #84331
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3982 posts 		" said:
had a fright train doing a crew change in Newcastle i pulled the signal because i had a anouther fright going though and he was not booked to stop. he was not due to depart for about 20 mints a msg come up say that driver of the 6E93 has received a advest change of aspect i should not be getting this msg as it 20 mints before his dep time
Do you know what the expected departure time of the freight was (shown in F2 or reported by phone call?)
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repeat of ACOA bug 27/08/2016 at 21:12 #84332
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4869 posts 		" said:
had a fright train doing a crew change in Newcastle i pulled the signal because i had a anouther fright going though and he was not booked to stop. he was not due to depart for about 20 mints a msg come up say that driver of the 6E93 has received a advest change of aspect i should not be getting this msg as it 20 mints before his dep time
Pending your reply to Steamer I have reopened Mantis 14488 for investigation.
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repeat of ACOA bug 27/08/2016 at 21:22 #84333
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6370 posts 		" said:
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had a fright train doing a crew change in Newcastle i pulled the signal because i had a anouther fright going though and he was not booked to stop. he was not due to depart for about 20 mints a msg come up say that driver of the 6E93 has received a advest change of aspect i should not be getting this msg as it 20 mints before his dep time
Do you know what the expected departure time of the freight was (shown in F2 or reported by phone call?)
Yes, the expected departure time is the relevant one, not the scheduled time. You (Tony) also say doing a crew change so would that not mean the crew was there?
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