Bug on Panel 10B?

I can't help wondering whether, had I replaced A69 to danger, I would have got anything moving from Rochester for the rest of the session.

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I can't help wondering whether, had I replaced A69 to danger, I would have got anything moving from Rochester for the rest of the session.

How would you have done so? Unless there's some bug with the control of the signal, you shouldn't be able to do anything with A69, regardless of what you tell the driver you're going to do.

Danny252 in post 95715 said:

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I can't help wondering whether, had I replaced A69 to danger, I would have got anything moving from Rochester for the rest of the session.

How would you have done so? Unless there's some bug with the control of the signal, you shouldn't be able to do anything with A69, regardless of what you tell the driver you're going to do.

So is there a core code bug which offers you the choice to replace an automatic signal to danger in a situation like this?

Danny252 in post 95715 said:

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I can't help wondering whether, had I replaced A69 to danger, I would have got anything moving from Rochester for the rest of the session.

How would you have done so? Unless there's some bug with the control of the signal, you shouldn't be able to do anything with A69, regardless of what you tell the driver you're going to do.

So is there a core code bug which offers you the choice to replace an automatic signal to danger in a situation like this?

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Just checked, the line is 4 aspect, so the train called from sig A69, and the signaller put sig 274 at danger, sig A69 would go to "Double Yellow" causing an ACOA. the driver calling in and asking if signal would be replaced and you saying yes would allow you to set sig 274 to danger and not cause any issues with sig A69 changing to "Double Yellow"

Trains shouldn't get delayed at locations external to the main sim area, raised #17453

Sacro in post 95720 said:

Trains shouldn't get delayed at locations external to the main sim area, raised #17453

Why not? There does seem to be an issue with the calls etc. but if a train is delayed off your patch it'll have an impact on your operation.

Peter

Sacro in post 95720 said:

Trains shouldn't get delayed at locations external to the main sim area, raised #17453

Why not? There does seem to be an issue with the calls etc. but if a train is delayed off your patch it'll have an impact on your operation.

Peter

Peter Bennet in post 95728 said:

Sacro in post 95720 said:

Trains shouldn't get delayed at locations external to the main sim area, raised #17453

Why not? There does seem to be an issue with the calls etc. but if a train is delayed off your patch it'll have an impact on your operation.

Peter

I think that the underlying point has been missed here in the interests of a debate. As far as the signaller on the Vic SE panel is concerned the only significant point is that the train will not enter his/her area of control at due time (which is already catered for in SimSig because the core code has the facility to allow trains to enter late).

Given that, where is the sense in bothering the Vic SE signaller with irrelevant matters about delay outside his/her area of control and asking him/her for input when all (s)he needs to get is a message that NZNN is running late? Surely this makes Ben's (Sacro's) point perfectly valid.

I dimly remember some alternative version of the telephone message where the phone call would be worded such as to come from the neighbouring signal box and you possibly (not sure if always or depending on whether the external signal could in some way be influenced by you because it was near the fringe) only had the option of responding OK. Leeds would be such an example if anybody wants to watch out for this and see if my memory is correct - a number of stations on the Harrogate line are not under York's control but still modelled in the sim.

There's a difference between the notification that a train is running late and will enter the sim late and one that has entered the Sim and is subsequently delayed at a station off-patch. I did acknowledge that there did seem to be an issue with the calls, by which I mean that the driver would not call you etc. However, the fact that a train was delayed at an off-screen station after entering the Sim is not of itself wrong (in my view), it's the same, in principle, as a train entering the Sim late.

It may be rare for Sims to have off-patch stations between entering the Sim and arriving on-patch but it's certainly possible, especially where mandatory timing points require the sim to be extended behind the scenes (Motherwell has some for example).

Peter

Peter Bennet in post 95732 said:

There's a difference between the notification that a train is running late and will enter the sim late and one that has entered the Sim and is subsequently delayed at a station off-patch. I did acknowledge that there did seem to be an issue with the calls, by which I mean that the driver would not call you etc. However, the fact that a train was delayed at an off-screen station after entering the Sim is not of itself wrong (in my view), it's the same, in principle, as a train entering the Sim late.

It may be rare for Sims to have off-patch stations between entering the Sim and arriving on-patch but it's certainly possible, especially where mandatory timing points require the sim to be extended behind the scenes (Motherwell has some for example).

Peter

I'm still of the belief that the call is correct, in many sims where you get a delay call asking you if you want to put signal at danger, there is often no signal in front of the train you can put at danger due to it being an automatic type with no emergency replacement. and the first signal you can set to danger can be 2 or 3 ahead of the train. in the case of trains delay at off sims locations if the delay if several signals away from signals you control (about 3 or 4) then the train will call and inform of delay but no offer to put signal back at danger, and your only reply is "ok train is delayed". even tho on the first post the train is at a signal just out of your control (but others ahead are in your control) and is asking for signal to be placed it danger, seems like a standard request as I would think a driver calling up would ask for the most restictive aspect, you replying yes would allow aspect changes, even to a caution, and where there are junctions ahead allow the route to be cleared to allow trains coming from diverging lines to continute running, but if you were unable to change signals in your panel and give an ACOA in the situation as in the first post signallers would be unable to cancel the route ahead of the train and you could block another line, there by possibly delaying more trains than necessary

mark265 in post 95736 said:

Peter Bennet in post 95732 said:

There's a difference between the notification that a train is running late and will enter the sim late and one that has entered the Sim and is subsequently delayed at a station off-patch. I did acknowledge that there did seem to be an issue with the calls, by which I mean that the driver would not call you etc. However, the fact that a train was delayed at an off-screen station after entering the Sim is not of itself wrong (in my view), it's the same, in principle, as a train entering the Sim late.

It may be rare for Sims to have off-patch stations between entering the Sim and arriving on-patch but it's certainly possible, especially where mandatory timing points require the sim to be extended behind the scenes (Motherwell has some for example).

Peter

I'm still of the belief that the call is correct, in many sims where you get a delay call asking you if you want to put signal at danger, there is often no signal in front of the train you can put at danger due to it being an automatic type with no emergency replacement. and the first signal you can set to danger can be 2 or 3 ahead of the train. in the case of trains delay at off sims locations if the delay if several signals away from signals you control (about 3 or 4) then the train will call and inform of delay but no offer to put signal back at danger, and your only reply is "ok train is delayed". even tho on the first post the train is at a signal just out of your control (but others ahead are in your control) and is asking for signal to be placed it danger, seems like a standard request as I would think a driver calling up would ask for the most restictive aspect, you replying yes would allow aspect changes, even to a caution, and where there are junctions ahead allow the route to be cleared to allow trains coming from diverging lines to continute running, but if you were unable to change signals in your panel and give an ACOA in the situation as in the first post signallers would be unable to cancel the route ahead of the train and you could block another line, there by possibly delaying more trains than necessary

Except that the driver would call the signal box covering the signal concerned, which I is think the point. You could get a message similar to what you get for a pre-entry delay.

Peter

postal in post 95716 said:

So is there a core code bug which offers you the choice to replace an automatic signal to danger in a situation like this?

It may or may not be as, given the option of replacing signal allows you to cancel that signal or one in front of it and prevent an ACOA,

mark265 in post 95717 said:

postal in post 95716 said:

So is there a core code bug which offers you the choice to replace an automatic signal to danger in a situation like this?

It may or may not be as, given the option of replacing signal allows you to cancel that signal or one in front of it and prevent an ACOA,

The core code should either look ahead and name the first controlled signal in the line of route, or it should reword the message to make it clear that a different signal might be involved.

Mantis 17455 raised.