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New to Simsig and signaling 31/03/2010 at 17:02 #1026
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Hello everyone.

I'm new to Simsig and signaling simulations in general. I've been a huge fan of trains all my life and also a fan of aircraft control simulators (TRACON, VATSIM), but I'd never realized that they had something similar for trains -- now I can combine two of my passions!

I'm across the pond from most of you -- I live in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. As a result, I'm struggling a bit since I don't have a frame of reference for most of the simulations. I started with Royston, but even with the speed turned up, I got bored with the lack of variety pretty quickly. I then took a stab at Gloucester and got completely overwhelmed (I still have trouble with scrolly -- paged seems easier for some reason). I'm now working with the "obsolete" Swindon and enjoying it a lot.

However, I have a few questions (actually, I have a lot, but I don't want to spam you with everything at once):

1) I can't figure out how to install some of the simulations that I saw suggested in the forums as good for beginners (Westbury, LKX, Stafford). I see some of the timetables in the user-contributed section, but no actual simulations. Are these references to old sims that are no longer available?

2) I've read through everything I could find on the wiki, but I couldn't find any description of what the following buttons are used for: ROV, REM, ISO. Are these useful for anything or just cosmetic?

3) In the Swindon Sim, some of the trains come through with a Swindon Platform of "TL" instead of 1, 2, or 3. What does this mean?

4) Also in the Swindon Sim, trains heading down the main line from Uffington towards Swindon seem to constantly get stuck at switch 24 and I can't seem to clear a route past it to Swindon. The only way I can get them to go on is to tell them to go through the danger signal. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong here?

Thanks in advance for any help!

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New to Simsig and signaling 31/03/2010 at 17:02 #8017
dfscott
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Hello everyone.

I'm new to Simsig and signaling simulations in general. I've been a huge fan of trains all my life and also a fan of aircraft control simulators (TRACON, VATSIM), but I'd never realized that they had something similar for trains -- now I can combine two of my passions!

I'm across the pond from most of you -- I live in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. As a result, I'm struggling a bit since I don't have a frame of reference for most of the simulations. I started with Royston, but even with the speed turned up, I got bored with the lack of variety pretty quickly. I then took a stab at Gloucester and got completely overwhelmed (I still have trouble with scrolly -- paged seems easier for some reason). I'm now working with the "obsolete" Swindon and enjoying it a lot.

However, I have a few questions (actually, I have a lot, but I don't want to spam you with everything at once):

1) I can't figure out how to install some of the simulations that I saw suggested in the forums as good for beginners (Westbury, LKX, Stafford). I see some of the timetables in the user-contributed section, but no actual simulations. Are these references to old sims that are no longer available?

2) I've read through everything I could find on the wiki, but I couldn't find any description of what the following buttons are used for: ROV, REM, ISO. Are these useful for anything or just cosmetic?

3) In the Swindon Sim, some of the trains come through with a Swindon Platform of "TL" instead of 1, 2, or 3. What does this mean?

4) Also in the Swindon Sim, trains heading down the main line from Uffington towards Swindon seem to constantly get stuck at switch 24 and I can't seem to clear a route past it to Swindon. The only way I can get them to go on is to tell them to go through the danger signal. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong here?

Thanks in advance for any help!

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New to Simsig and signaling 31/03/2010 at 18:31 #8019
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dfscott said:
Hello everyone.

I'm new to Simsig and signaling simulations in general. I've been a huge fan of trains all my life and also a fan of aircraft control simulators (TRACON, VATSIM), but I'd never realized that they had something similar for trains -- now I can combine two of my passions!

I'm across the pond from most of you -- I live in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. As a result, I'm struggling a bit since I don't have a frame of reference for most of the simulations. I started with Royston, but even with the speed turned up, I got bored with the lack of variety pretty quickly. I then took a stab at Gloucester and got completely overwhelmed (I still have trouble with scrolly -- paged seems easier for some reason). I'm now working with the "obsolete" Swindon and enjoying it a lot.
Welcome.
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However, I have a few questions (actually, I have a lot, but I don't want to spam you with everything at once):

1) I can't figure out how to install some of the simulations that I saw suggested in the forums as good for beginners (Westbury, LKX, Stafford). I see some of the timetables in the user-contributed section, but no actual simulations. Are these references to old sims that are no longer available?

London Kings Cross should be available- Liverpool Street is not at the moment. nor is Stafford and Westbury.
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2) I've read through everything I could find on the wiki, but I couldn't find any description of what the following buttons are used for: ROV, REM, ISO. Are these useful for anything or just cosmetic?

If you click on REM (reminder) or ISO(isolation) then an elemnet such as a signal, point or slot you can 'collar them' which means they can't be moved- using 'ROV' means you can overide the collar without removing it.
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3) In the Swindon Sim, some of the trains come through with a Swindon Platform of "TL" instead of 1, 2, or 3. What does this mean?

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4) Also in the Swindon Sim, trains heading down the main line from Uffington towards Swindon seem to constantly get stuck at switch 24 and I can't seem to clear a route past it to Swindon. The only way I can get them to go on is to tell them to go through the danger signal. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong here?
Don't have that iteration of the sim to hand so can't really help at the moment.

Peter

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New to Simsig and signaling 31/03/2010 at 19:04 #8021
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Welcome DF Scott
I am also a member of VATSIM so like you combine two hobbies. Tend to get hooked up on one or the other for a while! We also have quite a few members from "across the pond".
Peter has sorted most of your questions, adding that using the TL obviously means a train is not scheduled to stop at a platform. Points are lost for pax trains using incorrect platforms, but just because a train says TL, it is fine to use any clear line if it would be more appropriate, though may slow the train down.
Not sure what you are doing at Sig 24. From there you should be able to clear a path to Sig 28 for access to any platform or through line or (if a freight train - Class 6, 7 or 8) via the goods line using Sig 24. You should not be signalling to the shunt signal 214 which would only be used for trains running out of Tranfer Siding and reversing direction.
The blue button marked A will act as an auto route, clearing the signal automatically once a train has passed out of the onward section, but will only auto on the main line to Sig 28.
Hope that helps, but feel free to ask if still in difficulty.
Simon

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New to Simsig and signaling 31/03/2010 at 19:38 #8022
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let me just expand on one of your points (from a real life signaller's point of view)-

in basic terms,

REM= Reminder. Used on a signal, points, etc, a reminder is exactly what it says, to remind you of something. Ie, if you have a track circuit failure placing a reminder on the previous signal will remind you to stop the train and auth driver to pass signal at danger. or a signal failure, placing a reminder on will remind you that the signal has failed and to deal with accordingly.
A reminder also prevents you from using whatever it is on, for example will prevent you clearing a signal, or if you have a reminder on a sets of points that are 'locked' in a certain position it will prevent you from accidently moving the points.

ROV= reminder override. As you cannot clear a signal set at danger with a reminder on, the reminder override does exactly what it says, overrides the reminder so you CAN clear the signal.

ISO= same as a reminder but reminds you of an electrical section that has an isolation on it, which means that the section has the elcetricity switched off.

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New to Simsig and signaling 31/03/2010 at 19:43 #8023
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Thanks, all.

I'll check again tonight and see what I'm doing with that signal that's making it stay red and no be able to be switched. I might be routing it to the shunt line (214) although I'm not sure.

Thanks also, Simon, for the tip about auto route -- I was driving myself crazy clearing routes for first train, then moving the next on up to the back it, then going back and moving the next one up, ad nauseum. This should help a lot.

BTW, is that what is sometimes called ASR, or is that something different?

I can see that I've got a lot to learn about signalling. I'm poring through wikipedia right now trying to read as much information as I can find.

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New to Simsig and signaling 31/03/2010 at 19:48 #8024
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blue A button keeps the signal in 'auto' mode so the signal will always be showing a proceed aspect for the pre-set main route unless there in a train in the section ahead.

ARS is different, this is automatic route setting which 'knows' the normal timetable and will set whatever route is required for each train as in the timetable

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New to Simsig and signaling 31/03/2010 at 19:50 #8025
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NR_signaller said:
ARS is different, this is automatic route setting which 'knows' the normal timetable and will set whatever route is required for each train as in the timetable
Oh, I see. That might explain why I kept seeing these white routes suddenly appear on my screen that I didn't remember creating.

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New to Simsig and signaling 31/03/2010 at 19:50 #8026
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and yes there is a lot to signalling! even the pros will probably never know absolutely everything so dont worry!
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New to Simsig and signaling 31/03/2010 at 20:56 #8027
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dfscott said:
Thanks also, Simon, for the tip about auto route -- I was driving myself crazy clearing routes for first train, then moving the next on up to the back it, then going back and moving the next one up, ad nauseum. This should help a lot.

BTW, is that what is sometimes called ASR, or is that something different?
When a signal is in auto mode (ie the route remains set for the subsequent trains until cancelled), it is called fleeting in US-speak. Googling for ASR it would appear to be something different - Approach Stick Relay - although it remains de-energised when in fleeting (auto) mode. Is this the ASR you mean? A fair amount of relay terminology is equivalent between the UK and the US but ASR is new to me.

I tried to find the information about REM etc in the Wiki but I can't find it which is somewhat embarrassing! We'll have to do something about that. In the meantime please feel free to ask as many questions as you like. If anything, it will help us to help others as well as yourself.

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New to Simsig and signaling 01/04/2010 at 06:44 #8035
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read the other replies in the post geoff!!
GeoffM said:
Googling for ASR it would appear to be something different - Approach Stick Relay - although it remains de-energised when in fleeting (auto) mode. Is this the ASR you mean? A fair amount of relay terminology is equivalent between the UK and the US but ASR is new to me.

I tried to find the information about REM etc in the Wiki but I can't find it which is somewhat embarrassing! We'll have to do something about that. In the meantime please feel free to ask as many questions as you like. If anything, it will help us to help others as well as yourself.

NR_signaller said:
REM= Reminder. Used on a signal, points, etc, a reminder is exactly what it says, to remind you of something. Ie, if you have a track circuit failure placing a reminder on the previous signal will remind you to stop the train and auth driver to pass signal at danger. or a signal failure, placing a reminder on will remind you that the signal has failed and to deal with accordingly.
A reminder also prevents you from using whatever it is on, for example will prevent you clearing a signal, or if you have a reminder on a sets of points that are 'locked' in a certain position it will prevent you from accidently moving the points.

NR_signaller said:
ARS is different, this is automatic route setting which 'knows' the normal timetable and will set whatever route is required for each train as in the timetable

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New to Simsig and signaling 01/04/2010 at 10:46 #8046
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read the other replies in the post geoff!!
I did, which is why I haven't repeated anything that has already been stated. Instead you appear to have quoted large blocks of text which is somewhat hypocritical.

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New to Simsig and signaling 01/04/2010 at 15:51 #8056
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GeoffM said:
NR_signaller said:
read the other replies in the post geoff!!
I did, which is why I haven't repeated anything that has already been stated. Instead you appear to have quoted large blocks of text which is somewhat hypocritical.
I think I caused part of the problem myself by transposing the A and the R -- I referred to it as ASR instead of ARS.

But thanks again, everyone, for the help! I ran Swindon for about 3-4 hours last night and only had to cheat once because I couldn't figure out where to join two trains. Other than that (and one place where I routed a Swindon departure onto the down line when he needed to go up -- that took a while to sort out!), it went pretty smoothly!

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