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| London Underground Met Line 24/10/2010 at 17:14 #12113 | |
Zoe
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Until the early 1990s there was also a physical link to the rest of the BR network via an elevator at Waterloo.
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| London Underground Met Line 25/10/2010 at 09:31 #12125 | |
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kbarber
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Zoe said:Until the early 1990s there was also a physical link to the rest of the BR network via an elevator at Waterloo. The site of which is now under the (former) international platforms. Zoe, I suspect if it lasted until the '90s it went pretty early (along with the 1936 signalbox  ); more likely to have been removed around '89 I suspect but I had little to do with that part of the world until just a bit later. Certainly by '92 the present access was in place: a great big hole in the ground just off Lower Marsh, with a large hoist positioned over it.
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| London Underground Met Line 25/10/2010 at 09:58 #12126 | |
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mfcooper
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kbarber said:...with a large hoist positioned over it.A hoist that really isn't that large. When they replaced the stock relatively recently (1993, as Wikipedia informs me - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterloo_&_City_line), they had to get a huge road-crane to lift the old carriages out and the new ones in. I suspect that the hoist there might be a relic and no longer used. Log in to reply |
| London Underground Met Line 25/10/2010 at 11:06 #12127 | |
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AndyG
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I thought the old carriage hoist was removed to enable the construction of Waterloo International platforms.
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| London Underground Met Line 25/10/2010 at 16:51 #12131 | |
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lpeters
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I meant the line developers Peter, not the sim developer. If any offence was taken I apologise for it but it wasn't meant to be hitting out at Clive or any other members of the SimSig team.
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| London Underground Met Line 26/10/2010 at 10:54 #12153 | |
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kbarber
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The Drain was built to give the LSWR what the other southern companies already had - a City terminus as well as their "West End" establishment (being south of the River even that description was a little bit suspect, but Waterloo's a lot closer & more convenient for WC than EC). City traffic was lucrative and all the companies took steps to acquire access to that part of the world; the LNWR took over the North London Railway and thus got into Broad Street, the GNR, MR and GWR tied up with the Metropolitan Railway, the southern companies (LC&DR, SER and LB&SCR) had all got 2 termini, only the GCR missed out (and that probably because it didn't arrive in the capital until so late, and in any case was served by the Baker Street and Waterloo to get its commuters to the City). By that time a Royal Commission (? - I think) had recommended that no more surface railways be permitted in Central London (Liverpool Street was recommended as an exception so I think it was as early as 1860s), thus making the LSWR's ambition rather hard to realise until electric traction and tube tunnels became practicable. It was never seen as part of a larger scheme and, being owned by one of the main line companies, never got included in any UndergrounD or LPTB schemes. And for the most part it seems to have done exactly what it was built to do ever since.
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| London Underground Met Line 26/10/2010 at 12:30 #12156 | |
Peter Bennet
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Also until (relatively) recently it was a BR not a LU line. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| London Underground Met Line 26/10/2010 at 21:32 #12169 | |
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Adrian the Rock
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kbarber said:The Drain was built to give the LSWR what the other southern companies already had - a City terminus as well as their "West End" establishment (being south of the River even that description was a little bit suspect, but Waterloo's a lot closer & more convenient for WC than EC). City traffic was lucrative and all the companies took steps to acquire access to that part of the world; the LNWR took over the North London Railway and thus got into Broad Street, the GNR, MR and GWR tied up with the Metropolitan Railway, the southern companies (LC&DR, SER and LB&SCR) had all got 2 termini, only the GCR missed out (and that probably because it didn't arrive in the capital until so late, and in any case was served by the Baker Street and Waterloo to get its commuters to the City)... The GCR wasn't much interested in commuters to begin with - it left those to the Met and GWR. Remember its two routes into London were the Met&GC and GW&GC joint lines! The commuters reached the City via Baker St and Farringdon, just as they still do today. The Bakerloo line doesn't go to the City anyway. Log in to reply |