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| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 02/08/2011 at 06:46 #18893 | |
Zoe
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In the future once ERTMS is extended throughout the EU, maybe you could have the entire EU rail network controlled from a single location for example Brussels. This is a long way off but could be done.
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| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 02/08/2011 at 09:39 #18903 | |
Peter Bennet
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I repeat what I said at #21 above! With any luck the EU will cease to exist shortly anyway. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 02/08/2011 at 10:07 #18906 | |
postal
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Peter You have disappointed me this morning. Nearly three hours before you rose to the bait! “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 02/08/2011 at 10:34 #18909 | |
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Peter Bennet
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" said:PeterDepends on when I have my nice cup of tea and a sit down Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 15/08/2011 at 13:19 #19426 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Hot off the keyboard - here's the Rail.co story about this http://www.rail.co/2011/08/15/network-rail-plans-signal-consolidation Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 16/08/2011 at 09:29 #19467 | |
Right Away
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Hear, hear, Peter. I notice that the Daily Express championed e-petition for an EU referendum has got over 16,000 signatures so far, the target being 100,000: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/356 The e-petition to deprive looters of benefits reached 100,000 in a day! The much slower rate of signatures for an EU referendum may reflect the public’s distrust of a politician’s "cast-iron guarantee". Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 16/08/2011 at 09:39 #19468 | |
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Peter Bennet
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" said:Hear, hear, Peter.I think I was around number 400 on that one. However, there is already a Private members bill going through Parliament, though it's rare for such Bills to go anywhere. http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/europeanunionmembershipreferendum.html Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 16/08/2011 at 10:01 #19470 | |
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Right Away
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I see the first reading was in July 2010 but the second reading is not scheduled until March 2011 on a day when the Commons is not expected to sit, thus a lengthy postponement would seem likely. Not a lightning fast process but then I suppose our 600+ MPs have better things to do with their time like lining their own pockets and gold plating and rubber stamping the 85% or so of new laws handed down to us by unelected Brussels bureaucrats.
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| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 16/08/2011 at 17:48 #19479 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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" said:85% or so of new laws handed down to us by unelected Brussels bureaucrats. Can you explain why the House of Commons Library calculated it as only 9.1% in 2005, or, if you want something a little more recent, why the British Chambers of Commerce in 2009 calculated it as only 20% in 2009, a reduction of 10% from the previous year? Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 16/08/2011 at 18:20 #19481 | |
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postal
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Never let the facts get in the way of a good bandwagon.
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| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 16/08/2011 at 18:39 #19482 | |
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lpeters
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20% too many... perhaps this is the wrong place to be having this debate anyways???
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| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 17/08/2011 at 07:17 #19501 | |
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GoochyB
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" said:laws handed down to us by unelected Brussels bureaucrats.Did you miss the elections for MEPs? They happen regularly, and arguably by a more representative system than our own parliament! Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 17/08/2011 at 12:12 #19511 | |
jc92
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i think right away is refering to the top echelon of the EU that we as EU citizens never see a ballot paper for, yet still have authoritive legislative power over us
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| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 17/08/2011 at 13:48 #19516 | |
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broodje
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You do know all European ministers still have to agree with new legislation don't you? The only 'top echelon' that there is are the chosen people from the European elections and the chosen ministers from the countries forming the EU. If you are talking about the bank presidents or other top positions: Watch yes minister for a bit and You'll see that even within countries ministers have nothing to say ;). Log in to reply The following user said thank you: GoochyB |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 18/08/2011 at 07:57 #19550 | |
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Right Away
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The percentage will vary depending upon where you look for your “facts” of course. If I were an EUrophile MP, MEP or chief executive of Siemens I would probably like Joe Public to believe that the EU was not at all meddlesome or burdensome. But I, as mere taxpaying pond dwelling scum on a very low income and very much in sympathy with workers being made redundant at Bombardier, believe the opposite to be closer to reality. http://openeuropeblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-many-of-our-laws-are-made-in.html Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 18/08/2011 at 08:32 #19553 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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" said:The percentage will vary depending upon where you look for your “facts” of course. If I were an EUrophile MP, MEP or chief executive of Siemens I would probably like Joe Public to believe that the EU was not at all meddlesome or burdensome. But I, as mere taxpaying pond dwelling scum on a very low income and very much in sympathy with workers being made redundant at Bombardier, believe the opposite to be closer to reality. The House of Commons Library and the British Chambers of Commerce are pretty much neutral sources. Unlike that "blog"... The building contract with Siemens have nothing to do with the EU. Simply, Siemens could offer the superior product. Last edited: 18/08/2011 at 08:34 by ralphjwchadkirk Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 18/08/2011 at 10:21 #19556 | |
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Right Away
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The “blog” references its sources. “The building contract with Siemens have [sic] nothing to do with the EU” conveniently ignores the fact that EU procurement directives make it mandatory for the public sector to tender throughout the EU for products and services over a certain monetary threshold and illegal to obstruct this process in favour of companies in the UK. Despite such legislation Germany and France, for example, appear to have made sure that their trains can only be manufactured in their own countries and thus protected their expertise and their workers from the dole queue. Sadly, I feel I must cease from further contributions to this thread as I am aware that we are now seriously off topic. Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 18/08/2011 at 10:40 #19557 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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You don't disagree that Siemens are able to produce the superior product though? Why would you award a contract to a company who would make a poorer product just because they are British?
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| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 18/08/2011 at 10:55 #19558 | |
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broodje
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So you are now blaming the EU that the UK government has not made sure the same protectionist rules were used in the tender as both Germany and France use in their tender for trains? And as far as I know the same EU rules makes sure that the UK still makes parts for planes for airbus.
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| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 18/08/2011 at 10:58 #19559 | |
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Peter Bennet
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I have to be a bit careful how I say this. For me it's the principles involved more than any individual facts/events. The issue for me (which dates back to 1975 referendum when I was 13) is more about Parliamerntary Sovereignty and the right of self determination. On this I have to say I find myself in agreement with such diverse people as Tony Benn and Enoch Powell who, were/are great intellectuals and scholars of the consitution regardless of what you may think of their Politics. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 18/08/2011 at 11:16 #19560 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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" said:So you are now blaming the EU that the UK government has not made sure the same protectionist rules were used in the tender as both Germany and France use in their tender for trains? And as far as I know the same EU rules makes sure that the UK still makes parts for planes for airbus. Indeed, I believe the wings are made in Wales, and the engines made by Rolls Royce in Oxfordshire. Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 29/08/2011 at 10:44 #20308 | |
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Foulounoux
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Peter My greatest political highlight was sitting down to lunch with Enoch and only 6 of us there so we were able to have a wide ranging discussion with one of the greatest minds of the 20th century. As to EU law well I spent 10 years working closely with one of the Directorates and I learnt this. The EU makes directives which are implemented by the governments. Now its up to national governments how they implement so guess which national government of any persuasion follows the law to the letter if not going beyond what the directive specified. We were able to compare UK law with Italian law and despite both coming from the same directive the national laws were totally different. Not that I am anti Europe currently I am in a role where as a Logistics Manager of a European trading company we consolidate all shipments into ones that can be invoiced singly in Euros ie the original free trade concept - but even so the result of this is that I am a Swiss employee as thats where our HQ is as within the EU would be more expensive! Back on original topic am I correct in understanding that Kings Cross will be part of Three Bridges.  Clearly the aim is that any ROC will be able to take control of any other BUT and its a big BUT they can only do that if the signallers have been trained on the area they are taking over so whilst in theory Manchester can take over Didcot I cant see it working in practice, especially as the pool of trained signallers will be reduced by natural wastage to a rump Colin Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 29/08/2011 at 13:31 #20313 | |
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mfcooper
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" said:Back on original topic am I correct in understanding that Kings Cross will be part of Three Bridges.That's what I heard. It's apparently because NR want all of the Thameslink routes in Three Bridges. So West Hampstead is probably joining KX down south! Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 21/11/2011 at 23:42 #23465 | |
BarryM
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More on the subject from IRJ. http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/sb/irj1111/#/34 Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| Re: 14 Regional Operating Centres. 22/11/2011 at 16:57 #23485 | |
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Lardybiker
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I can see pro's and cons for consolidation. I have seen how consolidation can work though. Like Geoff, I have aslo been into the Norfolk Southern dispatch center in Fort Wayne. It covers over 1000 route miles of track split into seven sub-divisions (they are called "subs' for short. Each sub has its own individual sound-proofed room where the dispatcher sits with their headset for the radio system to talk to the drivers (all trains have ship to shore radio here). They also have various displays in front of them that include the sub's layout in what looked like a very SimSig type style. There is also a controller who oversees the whole area and he also sits in his own sound-proof booth as well. We were told Fort Wayne is very busy with up to 250 trains a day passing through the area. I found this quite amusing as the Kings Cross PSB has about 65 route miles I believe and according to SimSigs TT, over 1000 trains a day (I suspect the reality is somewhat less depending on how you count the trains). Anyway, I don't know how many dispatch Centers there are in total (I will endeavor to find out) but certainly consolidation is not a problem over on this side of the pond. Log in to reply |