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| Operating Incident 09/05/2012 at 09:03 #32199 | |
jimgos2005
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Hi I was just wondering what a TOC would call a operating incident as I was travelling on FCC this morning and there was delays and this was given as the reaso I have been meaning to ask you people for a while all help very much apprechiated as usual and keep up all the good work and subjects in the forum as this is my first place for a long period of time. Once again I look forward to reading replies. Log in to reply |
| Re: Operating Incident 09/05/2012 at 09:22 #32200 | |
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derbybest
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In the 'olden days' they called it operational difficulties which covered a multitude of sins
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| Re: Operating Incident 09/05/2012 at 10:22 #32201 | |
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GoodbyeMrFish
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A recent freightliner derailment at felixstowe was put down to an operating incident. It could be anything, its such a vague term.
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| Re: Operating Incident 09/05/2012 at 10:30 #32202 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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I think that is why they use it. I have seen many things blamed on "operational incident", varying from points being run through to the Conductor on a train not being ready to take that train forward because he was arriving on a late running train himself. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: jimgos2005 |
| Re: Operating Incident 09/05/2012 at 14:44 #32203 | |
headshot119
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It's a very vague term which be anything from a member of staff calling in sick to a failure of signalling equipment or even having a train "on the deck". I'm guilty of using the term myself, as it's much easier to explain to passengers than trying to explain the introduction of pilot man working. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: sunocske |
| Re: Operating Incident 09/05/2012 at 15:40 #32205 | |
Peter Bennet
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FCC email alert at around 08.00 said "trespass incident", we were no later than normal though. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: jimgos2005 |
| Re: Operating Incident 09/05/2012 at 16:12 #32206 | |
DriverCurran
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I would say that most railway staff would call an incident of an operational nature an operating incident Paul You have to get a red before you can get any other colour Log in to reply |
| Re: Operating Incident 09/05/2012 at 17:37 #32208 | |
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John 23
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At one time there was a ban on using the phrase to the public!
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| Re: Operating Incident 09/05/2012 at 18:18 #32210 | |
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metcontrol
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" said:FCC email alert at around 08.00 said "trespass incident", we were no later than normal though.I was on the train which had to (emergency) stop for the incident concerned. Apparently someone had quite casually crossed the line between Welwyn and Hatfield. We were stationary around 5 minutes, and then everything was moving on all roads. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: jimgos2005 |
| Re: Operating Incident 10/05/2012 at 10:15 #32219 | |
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jimgos2005
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It sounds like a term used by TOC"S to describe incidents that the TOC doesnt want the passengers to know about and doesnt cause too much knock on delay. Thanks for the help I am also curious to know what Line side Equipment Failure is I was wondering if its anything to do with the Cable thiefs that seem to be happening a lot lately especially in the London area if its the cable in use can it lead to TCF"S and signal failures. Log in to reply |
| Re: Operating Incident 10/05/2012 at 10:31 #32220 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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Cable theft tends to be described as such because it is something that the railway can blame on an outside party. Lineside equipment failures are usually signalling faults, although I have also seen that excuse used by a TOC who had a delayed guard which was down to them. Log in to reply |
| Re: Operating Incident 10/05/2012 at 16:06 #32227 | |
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Danny252
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Quote:what a TOC would call a operating incident An incident affecting the operation of the railway. Quote: what Line side Equipment Failure is A failure of equipment positioned at the side of the line. (Hence why both get used to cover anything!) Last edited: 10/05/2012 at 16:06 by Danny252 Log in to reply |
| Re: Operating Incident 10/05/2012 at 16:17 #32228 | |
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GB
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Generally speaking "operating incident" is normally used where someone has ballsed up.
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| Re: Operating Incident 10/05/2012 at 19:08 #32230 | |
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UKTrainMan
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I believe I've known "Operating Incident" to be used when there has been a SPAD (regardless of Category). You may wish to look through the various TOC-specific Twitter accounts on this list and click on some of the links to go directly to the National Rail Enquiries' website for the specific disruption info to see what reasons they're putting down for the disruption. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Re: Operating Incident 11/05/2012 at 07:23 #32239 | |
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kbarber
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"Incident" seems to have been the predecessor of "Operating Incident" and, in my day, was the euphemism of choice for a fatality. Most other occurrences would be told "as it was" including a certain amount of jargon; I suspect a lot of passengers (sorry Guv, customers) were a lot more worried than they needed to be by the prevalence of "track failures" :S
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| Re: Operating Incident 11/05/2012 at 19:43 #32255 | |
Gwasanaethau
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A driver this morning made an announcement that an operating incident had occurred at Selhurst Depot. He went on to say that track within the depot had been damaged and that might have affected services for the rest of the day due to not being able to get trains in or out. Turns out this was overshadowed slightly by the signal failure at Sydenham later on. Anybody know which line the signal failure was on? I’ve been trying to figure out why only LOROL trains were stopping southbound along this route… Log in to reply |
| Re: Operating Incident 11/05/2012 at 19:50 #32256 | |
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John
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" said:A driver this morning made an announcement that an operating incident had occurred at Selhurst Depot. He went on to say that track within the depot had been damaged and that might have affected services for the rest of the day due to not being able to get trains in or out. Turns out this was overshadowed slightly by the signal failure at Sydenham later on.They might have been trying to thin the service out a bit. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Gwasanaethau |
| Re: Operating Incident 19/05/2012 at 09:28 #32412 | |
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TimB2010
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"Operating Incident" can really mean almost anything - in my time at Birmingham New Street, it tended to be used by TOCs and announcers when the real reason was deemed to be too long-winded to explain to the travelling public, most of whom would have lost interest by the third word. I've known it being used for things as diverse as OHLE being damaged by adverse weather which meant the one route out of New St towards Bristol a particular train crew signed was closed and VXC had no available spare train crew, a 1600 ton freight train being brought to a stand in the station to check a tail light and then taking 20 mins to clear the North End pointwork, brakes catching fire, a train composed of two units splitting in service with corridor connections open when going over station pointwork, a suicide in the station, a Voyager engine exploding, traincrew being delayed on a previous working, the service car not being at a collection point to pick traincrew up in time, a Voyager arriving in the station empty to go into service to Bournemouth with no sanding gear detonators or TCODs in one cab - the list goes on...
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