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| Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 22/06/2012 at 15:06 #33245 | |
Meep
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Hi I am playing Bristol 1985 V3.21 I have tried to route train 5C611 into Bristol West Depot Platform 1 as per the timetable. I have tried every conceivable route, siding and combination in the vicinity that I can think of, but I still get a message saying incorrect route set. Any help would be gratefully appreciated, or should I ignore it because it is a bug? Last edited: 22/06/2012 at 15:13 by Meep Reason: Edited because last sentance sounded unintentionally picky and rude! Log in to reply |
| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 22/06/2012 at 15:56 #33251 | |
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Lardybiker
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Are you running the sim in 1980's mode? What signal is the train standing at? Which signal do you think it should go to?
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| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 22/06/2012 at 16:56 #33252 | |
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Meep
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Hi I am playing 1980s era. Train is stood at signal 60. Tried routing it to 513. I have also tried the other siding signal 511, and routing it along the carriage line to Malago Vale Bristol West Depot Downside. All to no avail. Same message every time. Log in to reply |
| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 22/06/2012 at 17:22 #33253 | |
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hotwellian
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Here are 3 images showing the routing \hope that these make it clear Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 22/06/2012 at 18:04 #33254 | |
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Meep
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Hotwelian I've just tried this. it appears you must set the route up from Signal 60 to the depot first before setting the rest of the route from the down through sidings. If you route to signal 60 then the depot you get an incorrect route message. Many thanks for you help on this. You too Lardybiker. I really appreciate it. Log in to reply |
| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 22/06/2012 at 18:31 #33256 | |
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sloppyjag
480 posts |
I run this timetable often as it is one of my favourites and I've never had any problems with 5C611. Just tried it again just now, setting the route to sig. 60 then the depot and driver accepted the route without any issues. I've never needed to set the route into the depot first.
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| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 22/06/2012 at 20:30 #33276 | |
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Lardybiker
771 posts |
I've just tried this... Click on 60 as the start signal Clicked on the grey exit arrow at the end of SDG2 for Bristol West Depot (Upside) The route set... and the train followed it and left the sim. So the question is are you sure the train you think is 5C611 at signal 60 is actually 5C611? Its possible its actually a different train and the berth just says its 5C611. If you press F2, you should be able to find which train is stopped signal 60. Last edited: 22/06/2012 at 20:39 by Lardybiker Log in to reply |
| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 23/06/2012 at 00:21 #33283 | |
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Meep
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Lardybiker I've just tried it as you suggested. Oh I definitely had the right train. From what I've seen after trying it a few times, is that you can set the route direct no problem. If you let the train come to a stand at signal 60 first before setting the route, then that's where you get the irate phone call concerning your routing expertise. I think what the problem was, is that prior to setting the route, I had signal 21 set to auto. When I cancelled the route from that signal, the points were still locked. I therefore had to set the route just to signal 60, as I couldn't set the whole route through to the depot. It seemed that I could then only set the route onwards once the train had come to a stand, possibly due to the overlap I don't know. As i am new to all this, I have no idea. Either way, I won't be doing that again! I sincerely hope I've made sense here and am not making a complete dick of myself! Out of interest, (assuming I'm not a complete dick), Is this some very minor bug I've just inadvertently discovered via my noob ineptitude? Last edited: 23/06/2012 at 00:25 by Meep Log in to reply |
| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 23/06/2012 at 09:58 #33284 | |
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sloppyjag
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Just tried this again and can confirm that if 5C611 is brought to a stand at sig.60 before route is set the driver complains of incorrect route - both to SDG1 and SDG2.
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| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 23/06/2012 at 22:15 #33309 | |
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guidomcc
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We had this bug on a timetable test host IIRC. Quite interesting that no one has reported this - whenever I'm If the train is at a stand on the RL before entering the Depot (such as 0V14-2 in the Severn Beach TT) there is no problem, so must be only sig. 60. 
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| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 25/06/2012 at 08:04 #33337 | |
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Meep
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Well it's mildly annoying I grant you. I reckon I can live with it though, unlike the Avonmouth BHT bug, which in my opinion (and its just my own opinion), is a complete game breaker. That's why I play the 1980s era. Shame really because the modern era also looks one of the most interesting sims around.
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| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 25/06/2012 at 10:40 #33342 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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It isn't a total game breaker because you can use the outside lines. What does surprise me is that there is apparently no intention to fix the bug as stated by KurtDS here (http://www.SimSig.co.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=33&id=241&Itemid=145#12119) and he originally developed the simulation. This is unusual as such a bug in the old days would have been quickly dealt with. Log in to reply |
| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 25/06/2012 at 11:49 #33345 | |
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Meep
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Stephen Yeah I tried for a while. It just turned into a multiple pile up, so it felt like a game breaker to me. That's why I play the 1980s era. Whilst I am still finding bugs on that version, the nature of them so far makes them fairly easy to ignore or get around. (Even the one that is the subject of this thread, once it was confirmed that it wasn't down to my being useless at this). I hope I wont find any more! You will note though that I emphasised that this was just my own personal opinion. It would be nice if it were fixed though. Maybe KurtDS will take pity on us someday! Log in to reply |
| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 25/06/2012 at 11:56 #33346 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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There shouldnt be enough trains going down there to stop the game being playable.
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| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 25/06/2012 at 12:14 #33348 | |
Steamer
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" said:It just turned into a multiple pile up, so it felt like a game breaker to me. Have you tried routing the trains to SA612 (on the Loco Release) and then back into the departure sidings? You may have to fiddle with the timetable to stop them blocking the release, but it's always worked for me. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 26/06/2012 at 20:03 #33415 | |
Class 86
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It works on both Lines fine to handle with the BHT (LR and Line 3). And the Fault at Parson Street does not apper to all Trains into the West Depot, that's what surprising me, too.
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| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 26/06/2012 at 20:14 #33416 | |
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guidomcc
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*Sudden realisation* I had to remove the location Parson St from the timetables post-testing. Does this train have Parson St in its TT? Log in to reply The following user said thank you: gareth_l |
| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 26/06/2012 at 20:33 #33417 | |
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sloppyjag
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It does but removing it leads to "no valid path" error when timetable validates.
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| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 27/06/2012 at 09:31 #33429 | |
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Meep
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Steamer & Class 86. Many thanks for the tips re Avonmouth. I'll give it another whirl once I've finished playing my current round of the 80s era. How do you go about this? Do you edit the timetable beforehand, or as you go along?
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| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 27/06/2012 at 15:19 #33439 | |
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Steamer
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" said:Steamer & Class 86. Many thanks for the tips re Avonmouth. I'll give it another whirl once I've finished playing my current round of the 80s era. How do you go about this? Do you edit the timetable beforehand, or as you go along?There's no need to edit the timetable, you just play as normal but route to SA612 instead of SA614 or SA618. The only time you might have to wait is if the train waits for departure time at Bulk Terminal South and you have a loco waiting to run round. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 28/06/2012 at 15:27 #33489 | |
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guidomcc
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" said:It does but removing it leads to "no valid path" error when timetable validates.6V14 16:16 Mossend Up Rec - Bristol West Depot from unpublished "Severn Beach Intensive 2005 v2.4" Bristol Temple Meads --:-- 03/38 DTThis TT validates. Tested and train ran fine. I left it to stand at 60 until it called. Then I pulled off and it went into the Depot with no further call. Last edited: 28/06/2012 at 15:28 by guidomcc Reason: Trying to make it not red Log in to reply |
| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 28/06/2012 at 17:35 #33499 | |
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sloppyjag
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Ah, I simply removed the Parson St entry without thinking about the need for a replacement timing point between BTM and Bristol West. (It was the end of a very long day!) Changing the Parson St entry to Bristol West Jn works.
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| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 28/06/2012 at 19:00 #33501 | |
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Meep
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" said:Ah, I simply removed the Parson St entry without thinking about the need for a replacement timing point between BTM and Bristol West. (It was the end of a very long day!) Changing the Parson St entry to Bristol West Jn works.If I edit the timetable as per the above, does this mean that one can bring a train to a stand at signal 60, then route it into the depot without incurring the error message? Log in to reply |
| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 28/06/2012 at 19:24 #33502 | |
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guidomcc
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" said:If I edit the timetable as per the above, does this mean that one can bring a train to a stand at signal 60, then route it into the depot without incurring the error message?Yes. Log in to reply |
| Re: Train 5C611 Bristol West Depot 28/06/2012 at 20:06 #33504 | |
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Meep
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Just had a look and it's only a couple of trains that actually need editing which is good. I have however come across one potential problem in that train 2C41 terminates at Parson Street, before becoming 5B551 for movement to the depot. I guess the only realistic solution would be to terminate 2C41 at Bedminster or Bristol Temple Meads. Alternatively one could abandon the timetable for 5B551, but that does not feel very realistic at all, being as how its a new TT for the train with only one movement. I hope I've got the terminology correct and I'm making sense here! Last edited: 28/06/2012 at 20:08 by Meep Log in to reply |