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| Carlisle 79-80TT 16/07/2012 at 22:40 #34060 | |
y10g9
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One for Pascal this time I have been running the timetable in tuesday mode, and i got 0T02MO come out and visit. I have 5s24 sat in platform 1 waiting for 0T02MX to come and join with him, however there are rules saying that 0T02MX must not run on 9-1MON, and that 0T02MO and 0T02MX are mutually exclusive, however there is nothing that stops 0T02MO coming out on tue-fri as far as i can see (and def nothing on tuesday as i have him on that day). Apart from that, nothing extra that i've picked up than what was mentioned at the meet. at 0524 currently, slightly dreading the upperby mess thats going to hit soon ;) Cheers Nathan Log in to reply |
| Carlisle 79-80TT 16/07/2012 at 22:54 #34062 | |
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AndyG
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Yep, had this on a Friday, passed this to Postal yesterday for the master TT copy: "0T02MO entered instead of 0T02MX which is needed to collect ECS Tue-Fri, the problem is with the rules: 0T02MO & 0T02MX are mutually exclusive; 0T02MX must not run if 9Mon runs. so MO can run if it's listed 1st! I think it would be more reliable as: 0T02MX must not run if 9Mon runs. 0T02MO must enter 0 mins after 9Mon leaves." If you need to recover the situation, just clone a 0T02MX in F4 to get it to enter. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: y10g9 |
| Carlisle 79-80TT 16/07/2012 at 23:00 #34064 | |
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y10g9
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kk. glad its been passed on, cheers andy, shall make myslef a copy of 0T02MX now and hopefully it will enter :D ---- had to delete the rule, but after that the copy entered. Last edited: 16/07/2012 at 23:02 by y10g9 Reason: addition Log in to reply |
| Carlisle 79-80TT - 6V34 16/07/2012 at 23:48 #34069 | |
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sloppyjag
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Another one. Phone call from 6V34 at Kingmoor UD1 reporting "Driver of 6V34 has reached the end of electrification" and F2 shows incorrect electrification, which is weird as I'd been chucking electric hauled freights from there all night. Only difference I can see in Train characteristics is that under "Speed classes" DMU is checked rather than Loco-H. Planotransitophobic! Log in to reply |
| Carlisle 79-80TT - 6V34 16/07/2012 at 23:58 #34072 | |
postal
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It is a bit bizarre given that I've got 6V34 currently between Rome St and Upperby without any warnings. There is a known problem with the way that the timetable works after it is analysed or cleaned which has been reported on the Bug Board and this has caused problems elsewhere with traction types so it may be related. However, I'll take a note to correct the speed class for the update. I've also got the changes to 0T02 logged. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 17/07/2012 at 00:00 by postal Log in to reply |
| Carlisle 79-80TT - 6V34 17/07/2012 at 00:34 #34074 | |
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y10g9
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i also have problems with 9T02 and 9T02A 9T02 dissapears into the bridge sidings and does not reverse to continue onto the stabling sidings, and 9t02A does the same (just coming from the stabling sidings, dissapearing rather than reversing. I guess to fix that you need to add in another 2 trains. :) ------ Next one, EXSPA has no further timetable after reverse at CE473, meaning that hes just gonna sit out on the main line looking silly  he might want a final destination added ;)However actually i couldn't get him beyond CE454 as 454 only would route to 469 and he gets stuck at 47 on route to 469, of which 47 is not a shown signal. Last edited: 17/07/2012 at 00:56 by y10g9 Log in to reply The following user said thank you: postal |
| Carlisle 79-80TT - 6V34 17/07/2012 at 11:42 #34094 | |
58050
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For all those battling there way through the timetable. I received V.2.9.1 from Postal yesterday & I am currently adding the trains & trips for set days from Kingmoor Up Sdgs & there associated light engine movements which weren't included in the timetable used at the meet, just to make it slightly more challenging to those who don't find it challenging enough already '  '. Hopefully this will be finished today & then sent to Postal for to check it ober & then it will be added to the sim for its general release.
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| Carlisle 79-80TT - 6V34 17/07/2012 at 11:44 #34096 | |
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58050
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'EXSP & EXSPA' etc etc are the 'Exchange Sdgs Pilot trips or otherwise known as Kingmoor Up Sdgs trips which I am currently adding.
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| Carlisle 79-80TT - 6V34 18/07/2012 at 10:54 #34142 | |
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y10g9
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Don't know if this has been picked up yet or not, but should 9T02C not leave upperby yard until 0T02C has arrived?
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| Carlisle 79-80TT - 6V34 18/07/2012 at 14:28 #34146 | |
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Woodhead Signalman
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One would think that that should be the case for sure Unless some malevolent spirit has inhabited the wagons of course
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| Carlisle 79-80TT - 6V34 18/07/2012 at 17:38 #34149 | |
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postal
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v2.9.3 under test at the moment with additional trip and engineering workings. It also includes the points made in this thread; thanks for the feedback. Going off at a tangent and one for the rules experts. If there is a train sitting at CE267 on the Up Through Goods Line waiting at a red to get out onto the main line, is it permissible to signal a light engine on the dolly out of Upperby Yard into the occupied section and then reverse it away towards Carlisle (holding CE267 at red while the LE is moving out of the yard)? “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Carlisle 79-80TT 18/07/2012 at 20:29 #34154 | |
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Danny252
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Assuming the Goods Line is permissive, I see no reason not to?
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| Carlisle 79-80TT 18/07/2012 at 20:59 #34155 | |
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58050
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John, I have done this move with 0M10E whilst 6L12 has passed CE.267 signal heading out onto the mainline & then signalled 0M10E to CE.286 from CE.275GPS. That worked OK for me.
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| Carlisle 79-80TT 18/07/2012 at 21:31 #34156 | |
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AndyG
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I managed to sneak a loco into the yard whilst a train was waiting for its own loco to run-round; I knew there was enough space as the RR loco would need it a minute later. 
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| Carlisle 79-80TT - 6V34 19/07/2012 at 08:54 #34163 | |
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postal
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" said:If there is a train sitting at CE267 on the Up Through Goods Line waiting at a red to get out onto the main line, is it permissible to signal a light engine on the dolly out of Upperby Yard into the occupied section and then reverse it away towards Carlisle (holding CE267 at red while the LE is moving out of the yard)?The question was not about whether it was physically possible but whether it was a sacking offence if you did. I presume that the line is permissive as LEs come out of the yard to hook up to trains in the section so thanks to Danny252 for keeping me right. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Carlisle 79-80TT - 6V34 19/07/2012 at 14:14 #34167 | |
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postal
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I've think I have found a significant problem with this TT although I suspect it is a generic issue and have reported it as such on the Bug Board. The situation is a bit complicated but I'll do my best to explain it. The situation arises when you are running the sim in anything but a "no delay" mode so that the core code is applying random delays to trains due to enter. These delays include negative delays (-x minutes) so the train will enter x minutes early. In a TT like this one there are lots of rules so that a train due to enter at Kingmoor Yard won't enter the sim until y minutes after the light engine for the train has gone into the yard (or in rules speak, left the area). if the train (rather than the LE) is due to enter with a delay of -x minutes which would make it enter earlier then the LE leaves the sim, then the rule and the "delay" conflict with each other and the train does not enter. Conversely if the LE enters x minutes late which makes it leave the area later than the sim thinks the train proper is due to enter, again the delay and the rule conflict and the train does not enter. The temporary bodge for the first situation is to go into the TT and change the delay on the train proper from -x to 0. The train will then enter. I haven't tried to fix the second situation on the fly but suspect that you will need to go into the TT and delete the rule governing the entry of the train. I hope I am wrong and there is something else in the TT which is not working properly, but if I am right the problem will affect a lot of the TTs for a lot of the sims which is a worrying situation. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Carlisle 79-80TT - 6V34 10/08/2012 at 08:00 #34815 | |
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Wyatt
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Can I ask where I can download Carlisle from please I see people talking about it but no where to say how to download Cheers Jay Log in to reply |
| Carlisle 79-80TT - 6V34 10/08/2012 at 08:39 #34816 | |
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postal
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At the moment you can't download it. A beta version of the sim was used at the Newcastle meet last month with the understanding that it was still work-in-progress. The developer (Tom O'Flaherty) and the TT writers fo the 1979-1980 and 2008 TTs have since been working to resolve the issues that were brought out at the meet and also the other things that keep cropping up in testing. We all understand that it is aggravating when people can see discussion about something which they cannot use themselves but I would ask you to please bear with us. To give you an understanding of how much work even the simplest of changes demands, Pascal and I have each done over 150 hours of testing on the 1979-80 TT and there have been about 10 iterations since the meet; Tom has produced nearly as many iterations of the sim itself so you can see that the version at the meet was a good start but still a long way short of being an acceptable release-standard version. With any luck, everything is not too far away now on both sim and TT front, but even so there is still the possibility of new bugs appearing which could take time to solve. Tom will release the sim as soon as the bug-list has been cleared off, but I am afraid that any questions about timescales can only be met with the usual "ready when it's ready" answer. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply The following user said thank you: AndyG |
| Carlisle 79-80TT - 6V34 29/11/2012 at 19:16 #38314 | |
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ozzyd9001
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is this timetable ready yet? as ive looked but can not find it?? Last edited: 29/11/2012 at 19:17 by ozzyd9001 Log in to reply |
| Carlisle 79-80TT - 6V34 29/11/2012 at 19:20 #38315 | |
jc92
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" said:is this timetable ready yet?its supplied with the sim "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Carlisle 79-80TT 29/11/2012 at 20:17 #38321 | |
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signalman morris
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Has the timetable been taken out because i Cant find one for carlisle
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| Carlisle 79-80TT 29/11/2012 at 20:19 #38322 | |
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jc92
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" said:Has the timetable been taken out because i Cant find one for carlislein the F3 menu, deselect the "use public documents" box, then restart the sim. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Carlisle 79-80TT 01/12/2012 at 19:23 #38382 | |
ajax103
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I think I may have come across a little problem in Carlisle... I have 0M70 which is a Class 47/0 or Class 47/4 which is booked to join 5M70 which consists of 8 Mk1 coaches HOWEVER when all is said and done 5M70 is booked to have no motive power at all as the Mk1s are listed as the traction! I've checked the Timetable Editor and it shows 5M70 with the 8 Mk1s as the traction, just thought I point it out. Other then that it's been a intense but great timetable to play with :) Found another problem :) 5M70 is reported as being 192m long, it is booked into Platform 6 at Carlisle which is only 158m long however it's next working goes one better and is 173m long! How long is this train actually supposed to be? Last edited: 01/12/2012 at 19:54 by ajax103 Log in to reply |
| Carlisle 79-80TT 01/12/2012 at 19:51 #38383 | |
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sloppyjag
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5M70 is the rear 8 coaches divided from 5S50 (Cl.25 + 14 which arrives from Upperby.) So until 0M70 joins it is only 8 coaches and no motive power.
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| Carlisle 79-80TT 01/12/2012 at 19:56 #38384 | |
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ajax103
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" said:5M70 is the rear 8 coaches divided from 5S50 (Cl.25 + 14 which arrives from Upperby.) So until 0M70 joins it is only 8 coaches and no motive power.Yes BUT I've checked the timetable editor BEFORE the train appears and it quite clearly states there is NO booked traction for 5M70 even when it joins 0M70 successfully hence my query. Log in to reply |