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| north wales coast express 19/11/2012 at 16:39 #37731 | |
jc92
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hi guys, just working on a summer 1990 weekday timetable for NWC, and i have come across a WTT steam working crewe - Holyhead TWO. i assume this to be the NWC express but i am a little confused about part of its schedule: it leaves crewe at 09:50 and gets to llan jcn at 11:38 where it takes water until 11:58. so far so good, it then runs to llandudno town along the branch, arriving at 12:08. it leaves llandudno town at 12:32 and runs back to llan jcn (i assume it either runs round in P2 at llan town or detrains, propels into the C.S. and runs round). it arrives at llan junction at 12:42 and departs for holyhead at 12:52. this is where i run into an issue- how does it run round so fast? it will be impossible to replicate this? if thats correct, then i shall replicate it and give the Llan jcn signalman a headache as per real life, but does anyone know if a Pilot was attached for the branch section to top and tail the train, coming off again at Llan junction? any help greatly appreciated. Joe "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| north wales coast express 19/11/2012 at 16:49 #37733 | |
Signalhunter
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Joe, I was looking at something similar, myself. I'm led to believe it was Top 'n' tailed, with an oil burner (class 67?). This also dealt with the shunting, at Holyhead, whilst the steam loco. turned at Valley.
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| north wales coast express 19/11/2012 at 17:13 #37739 | |
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jc92
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" said:Joe, I was looking at something similar, myself. I'm led to believe it was Top 'n' tailed, with an oil burner (class 67?). This also dealt with the shunting, at Holyhead, whilst the steam loco. turned at Valley.class 67? i like to do timetables with decent traction thankyou!  on a serious note, i had hoped as such. there is a pilot (T43) at holyhead, but i imagine the parrafin can would be able to recess the stock while the loco runs to valley to turn.most likely it will be a 47/4 or 47/6 from crewe D.D.. its an interesting movement as ive never known the NWCE to run to llandudno unless it termintates there and runs back to crewe. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| north wales coast express 19/11/2012 at 19:02 #37747 | |
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Underwood
748 posts |
Oddly I'm doing one off my 1989 - 1990 NRT, I do not have WTT's so it's classed at semi-fictional though traction is guessed mostly through photographic research. http://www.2d53.co.uk/ is a good site for a couple of things too, has trip workings listed, and all of them are Class 08s. on that site, Trip 43 is noted as a Class 08 (see bottom of this page http://www.2d53.co.uk/trip/AT7.htm), work orders for passenger and freight and list's the time windows it runs in too Log in to reply |
| north wales coast express 19/11/2012 at 19:05 #37748 | |
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jc92
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" said:Oddly I'm doing one off my 1989 - 1990 NRT, I do not have WTT's so it's classed at semi-fictional though traction is guessed mostly through photographic research.Im working from the 1990 summer WTT for passenger parcels freight and departmental, im also using a north west area Trip notice for 1991 and a RES train service guide for 1991. i am also using a special traffic notice for 1989 T92 doesnt seem to be listed there "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Last edited: 19/11/2012 at 19:10 by jc92 Log in to reply |
| north wales coast express 19/11/2012 at 19:58 #37753 | |
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Danny252
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" said:T92 doesnt seem to be listed therehttp://www.2d53.co.uk/trip/tripmenu.htm Log in to reply |
| north wales coast express 19/11/2012 at 20:06 #37755 | |
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Underwood
748 posts |
JC92 - I'll scrap my one, I'm having trouble linking services up without at WTT! I'll crack on with a 1980's version, at least I have headcodes and timings for them! I also realised the Class 47 you are on about was for the NWCE, I thought you were on about the pilot loco but I've read it wrong, sorry! Log in to reply |
| north wales coast express 19/11/2012 at 21:13 #37764 | |
headshot119
4869 posts |
" said:JC92 - I'll scrap my one, I'm having trouble linking services up without at WTT! I'll crack on with a 1980's version, at least I have headcodes and timings for them!I'm interested to see how well an 80s TT will work on the present layout. If you have any specific issues with anything James give me a shout and I'll see what we can sort out. 
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| north wales coast express 19/11/2012 at 21:24 #37765 | |
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jc92
3690 posts |
" said:JC92 - I'll scrap my one, I'm having trouble linking services up without at WTT! I'll crack on with a 1980's version, at least I have headcodes and timings for them!indeed! its doable with a bit of improvisation (rhyl C.E instead of rhyl yard for instance). i look forward to signalling a cavalcade of Peds rats peaks whistlers and duffs, maybe even a crompton "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| north wales coast express 19/11/2012 at 21:39 #37766 | |
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headshot119
4869 posts |
" said:" said:Where are the 101's in that listJC92 - I'll scrap my one, I'm having trouble linking services up without at WTT! I'll crack on with a 1980's version, at least I have headcodes and timings for them!indeed! its doable with a bit of improvisation (rhyl C.E instead of rhyl yard for instance). i look forward to signalling a cavalcade of Peds rats peaks whistlers and duffs, maybe even a crompton
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| north wales coast express 19/11/2012 at 21:43 #37767 | |
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jc92
3690 posts |
" said:" said:true, theres still some holding out in my TT, going back there was more variety than just 101s" said:Where are the 101's in that list ;)JC92 - I'll scrap my one, I'm having trouble linking services up without at WTT! I'll crack on with a 1980's version, at least I have headcodes and timings for them!indeed! its doable with a bit of improvisation (rhyl C.E instead of rhyl yard for instance). i look forward to signalling a cavalcade of Peds rats peaks whistlers and duffs, maybe even a crompton "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| north wales coast express 19/11/2012 at 22:50 #37769 | |
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Underwood
748 posts |
Indeed, except I'm a bit hazy on the DMU front (I used a 121 on the BF branch, as it's timed for D1, now I'm unsure if there were any 121s up there solo, especially in the Summer). It's set on a Saturday too, so expect the usual SO goodies with no heat machines to show, and plenty of loco action courtesy of help from 2D53, my NRT and 'Hellfire' 1981 program. I note the first and late Blaenau DMU has a 'Mail' heading, one down and one up. as the DMU requires a reversal at Llandudno Junction, one assumes it carries mail in the DMU rather than towing a BG MK1 like some examples (Barnstaple etc)? Sorry, I'm hijacking the thread now, but as you say JC, it should be doable with a few workarounds here and there. Log in to reply |
| north wales coast express 19/11/2012 at 22:54 #37771 | |
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jc92
3690 posts |
most likely conveyed in the guards compartment unless it indicates TV or D1(T) for trailing vehicle. D1 will be a 121 or a 101 single power unit "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Last edited: 19/11/2012 at 23:03 by jc92 Log in to reply |
| north wales coast express 19/11/2012 at 23:15 #37776 | |
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headshot119
4869 posts |
" said:most likely conveyed in the guards compartment unless it indicates TV or D1(T) for trailing vehicle.You could even have a timetable rule to simulate a power trailer running on one engine having little chance of making it up the hill and have it return back to llanrwst. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| north wales coast express 20/11/2012 at 02:43 #37778 | |
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Danny252
1461 posts |
It actually seems surprisingly doable even for the late 70s - the main issue seems to be Colwyn Bay, where a fair few things passed eachother/shunted around (e.g. Llan Jcn - Colwyn forming Colwyn - Llan Jcn - Blaenau Ffest), and Holyhead losing a platform might make things interesting. The timings work out surprisingly well, though, given how older TTs always seem to run everything 10 minutes early.
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| north wales coast express 21/11/2012 at 01:48 #37862 | |
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jc92
3690 posts |
to close the topic - i have discovered it was tailed by a Cl.47 throughout, several pictures have confirmed this. just to confused matters i have created three alternative trains so on tuesdays and wednesdays, you will get either 5407, 6201 or 60007 depending on what the sim throws out. for any future reference: the summer of 1990 saw the NWCE run TWO to Llandudno, then to holyhead, and return, and there was also a SUN working directly to holyhead "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |