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| Loco movements Lime Street 1977. 16/01/2014 at 12:55 #53929 | |
woodruff
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Euston services - Cl.85-87 (quite a bit of variety) New St./cross country services - 47/4s or Cl.85-86 transpennines to newcastle/scarbro - Cl.45/46 (not class 44s!) Transpennine DMUs will be CL.124 5 cars. Glasgow/carlisle - Cl.47/4s or possibly 40s (50s were down south by 1977, they left around 1973/4) loco hauleds to preston/warrington would be 25's unsure on norwich workings Blackpool North would be Cl.25s In light of the above from Jc92. Once a train had departed from the platform who long would the Light engine that was at the buffers depart? I gather from the Nr rules that at the moment , when following a loco hauled train a 4 minute headway is in place. What would it have been in 1977? How long would it have been before the next engine for the next service actually arrived from Edge Hill? At the moment the Lime Street sim has a 5 minute delay for the loco to uncouple or couple. So would a 10 minute headway before the next engine arrived be correct? Also which engines would use the neck siding to berth in before moving back to a platform to make the next service? Would this have just been the Warrington or Blackpool locos with the other locos moving to Edge Hill? Log in to reply |
| Loco movements Lime Street 1977. 16/01/2014 at 14:28 #53931 | |
jc92
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the simple answer is it depends some locos are booked out as 0Z00 to allerton for fuel and attention in the WTT, others might run back and forward as VSTP movements as needed. the remainder would stay at lime st. if staying, they would either berth on the blocks until just before the next service was due in, then use the neck siding to come out, then reverse onto the stock. alternatively if this would cause problems, or there was an extended layover at lime st, the loco can be dropped into one of the station sidings, or one of the low numbered platforms to lay over (P1 seems to have been a favourite). the neck siding was used for locos to reverse onto stock only, they wouldnt berth there for an extended period as the crew have no way of safely leaving the loco. do you have a WTT for the period you are doing? i suggest getting one as it will show you which L/Ls are due to allerton or Edge Hill DCS. something you havent covered yet is 0T08 - the Lime St. Station Pilot which is an 08 from allerton which shunted parcels stock overnight, then berthed during the day. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: woodruff |
| Loco movements Lime Street 1977. 16/01/2014 at 16:29 #53937 | |
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woodruff
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Thanks for the info jc92. I have been looking for a 1977 wtt but not come across one yet. Going to try the nrm next. Got enough info thank you for a mock trial tt for 1977 up to now though. Log in to reply |
| Loco movements Lime Street 1977. 17/01/2014 at 09:36 #53958 | |
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kbarber
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It used to be, unless other instructions existed, that a loco was normally required to 'closely follow' a departing train as far as the platform starter. It was not permitted to pass the starter until that signal had returned to danger (usually automatic where colour lights were in use, the instruction was for termini where mechanical signals remained) and cleared again for the loco. If, for any reason, the loco was unable to closely follow the departing train the driver was required to obtain specific authority from the signalman before moving. The reason for that was that, once the train had cleared (unless the loco was there to be cleared as well) another train could be signalled into the platform; it would be - shall we say - unfortunate if the incoming train met the outgoing loco partway along the platform, particularly at a location where visibility wasn't too clever. That would undoubtedly have been the regulation in use in 1977. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: woodruff |
| Loco movements Lime Street 1977. 17/01/2014 at 16:27 #53974 | |
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woodruff
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Thank you for the info.
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