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| Bangor. 20/02/2014 at 23:15 #55896 | |
peterb
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 Next set location is Britannia Bridge, although it complains of lack of paths between CS and the bridge. (I expect this is the reoccuring issue of unexpected locations i.e. - is Rev BR32 coded as the only legal next location?) Also, what goods line?!? Log in to reply |
| Bangor. 20/02/2014 at 23:34 #55898 | |
headshot119
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Indeed in the release copy the only path available from the carriage sidings is to the reverse point, it is fixed in my copy. It's a class 1 train and as Bangor sidings is a goods line it's complaining about it, just tell it to accept route on to goods line and it'll be fine. Not sure which timetable this is (Assuming one you're writing yourself, you can tick use freight lines speeds in the train type to avoid it complaining about the goods line) "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Bangor. 21/02/2014 at 10:59 #55908 | |
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peterb
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Thanks, " said: It's a class 1 train and as Bangor sidings is a goods line it's complaining about it, just tell it to accept route on to goods line and it'll be fine. Not sure which timetable this is (Assuming one you're writing yourself, you can tick use freight lines speeds in the train type to avoid it complaining about the goods line)In the past, before the invention of seeded trains it was perfectly permissible to seed trains using goods sidings as entry points and not be penalised for doing so. That said, it shouldn't matter whether or not the sidings is a goods line, the route for which it has been set is not a goods line. I don't understand therefore why I should be getting this warning. Log in to reply |
| Bangor. 21/02/2014 at 11:07 #55909 | |
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headshot119
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I can think of a few other sims where this happened / happens, Gloucester, Cscot (The original .exe version I've yet to play the paid version for any length of time) It is just a side effect of seeding trains on what are in effect goods lines. Also the first track circuit that route is set over is classed as a goods line, hence the drivers complaint. As I said previously if you tick "use freight line speeds" for that train it will prevent it from happening. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Last edited: 21/02/2014 at 11:11 by headshot119 Log in to reply |
| Bangor. 21/02/2014 at 11:17 #55910 | |
Peter Bennet
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I realised this myself and concluded the thing to do is just code the exit ULC as goods, the entry ULC is then free to seed (if needed). Pteer I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Bangor. 21/02/2014 at 13:38 #55916 | |
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JamesN
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" said:
The caveat of course being the train will run at freight line speeds instead of Passenger. " said:
The call is just advisory (there may be a small points penalty, but I can't remember the last time I cared about the score in a SimSig game) - the driver saying "Do you really want me to do this" - it's not hugely disruptive. " said: I realised this myself and concluded the thing to do is just code the exit ULC as goods, the entry ULC is then free to seed (if needed). An inventive solution Peter, thanks for the tip. Log in to reply |
| Bangor. 21/02/2014 at 14:01 #55921 | |
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AndyG
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Is 1D15 a seed train? If so, it can be seeded at Bangor SBR4 or SBR7 anyway.
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| Bangor. 21/02/2014 at 14:44 #55924 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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AndyG's suggestion is probably the best way around this problem as the idea of a seed is to place a train where it should be at the start of any timetable. No passenger train should be in that yard, so it would be more sensible just to seed it in the platform. Log in to reply |
| Bangor. 21/02/2014 at 14:54 #55925 | |
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JamesN
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" said:Is 1D15 a seed train? If so, it can be seeded at Bangor SBR4 or SBR7 anyway." said: AndyG's suggestion is probably the best way around this problem as the idea of a seed is to place a train where it should be at the start of any timetable.That's all very well, but doesn't North Wales Coast pre-date seeding being available? Log in to reply |
| Bangor. 21/02/2014 at 15:09 #55927 | |
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headshot119
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Having just checked it appears to support seeding, it's the original incarnation where the train needs the timing point before it's next timing point it'll get to in order to work.
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| Bangor. 21/02/2014 at 15:38 #55928 | |
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AndyG
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" said:That's all very well, but doesn't North Wales Coast pre-date seeding being available?Nope, I did check the sim before posting.  Only issue would be whether it needed Bangor as its first location or not.
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| Bangor. 21/02/2014 at 18:41 #55944 | |
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peterb
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" said:Having just checked it appears to support seeding, it's the original incarnation where the train needs the timing point before it's next timing point it'll get to in order to work.I don't quite understand what you're trying to say here... I'd also just like to point out that this isn't actually a timetabled seed, it was just a test as part of something else. But the indications raised (no valid path to Menai Bridge/route onto a goods line) seemed AFAIWC to be contrary to typical behaviours in other sims. Log in to reply |
| Bangor. 21/02/2014 at 19:55 #55956 | |
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UKTrainMan
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" said:" said:AIUI: It supports seeding, but for the seeding to work each individual train needs a timing point before the next timing point. So, a train seeding at Signal LJ71 (Down line between Llandudno Junction and Conwy) would need Llandudno Junction in as the first timing point, even though it has already passed that location.Having just checked it appears to support seeding, it's the original incarnation where the train needs the timing point before it's next timing point it'll get to in order to work.I don't quite understand what you're trying to say here... Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Bangor. 21/02/2014 at 20:05 #55957 | |
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peterb
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" said:" said:My understanding from the responses in my previous thread was that this was also a bug?" said:AIUI: It supports seeding, but for the seeding to work each individual train needs a timing point before the next timing point. So, a train seeding at Signal LJ71 (Down line between Llandudno Junction and Conwy) would need Llandudno Junction in as the first timing point, even though it has already passed that location.Having just checked it appears to support seeding, it's the original incarnation where the train needs the timing point before it's next timing point it'll get to in order to work.I don't quite understand what you're trying to say here... Log in to reply |
| Bangor. 21/02/2014 at 20:08 #55959 | |
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UKTrainMan
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" said:" said:Possibly; but I now believe that this has since been changed/fixed in the current version of the Core Code, hence trains now only require locations onwards of their seed points (so, Conwy station, if appropriate, in the example I gave)." said:My understanding from the responses in my previous thread was that this was also a bug?" said:AIUI: It supports seeding, but for the seeding to work each individual train needs a timing point before the next timing point. So, a train seeding at Signal LJ71 (Down line between Llandudno Junction and Conwy) would need Llandudno Junction in as the first timing point, even though it has already passed that location.Having just checked it appears to support seeding, it's the original incarnation where the train needs the timing point before it's next timing point it'll get to in order to work.I don't quite understand what you're trying to say here... Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Bangor. 21/02/2014 at 20:09 #55960 | |
postal
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" said:" said:Not a bug but a situation where enhancement was required.. TT writers started trying to use seeding in ways for which it was not originally designed. The seeding was then re-coded to allow for the additional functionality required." said:My understanding from the responses in my previous thread was that this was also a bug?" said:AIUI: It supports seeding, but for the seeding to work each individual train needs a timing point before the next timing point. So, a train seeding at Signal LJ71 (Down line between Llandudno Junction and Conwy) would need Llandudno Junction in as the first timing point, even though it has already passed that location.Having just checked it appears to support seeding, it's the original incarnation where the train needs the timing point before it's next timing point it'll get to in order to work.I don't quite understand what you're trying to say here... “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |