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| Drags 29/05/2014 at 18:43 #61086 | |
scottlowes
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Hi All Im looking for some help as to how i would recreate this scenario, if anyone could help it would be excellent :) Basically there's overhead line maintenance between Stevenage & WGC so i would like to have the class 91 & MK4 Set arrive a Stevenage and have a class 67 couple up to the Class 91 to drag it to Kings Cross. Would it make sense for the class 67 to wait south of Stevenage and then back on the class 91 to go to London? Thanks Scott Log in to reply |
| Drags 29/05/2014 at 19:08 #61088 | |
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JamesN
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Wouldn't be able to attach a loco at Stevenage, would have to be diesel-hauled from Peterborough.
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| Drags 29/05/2014 at 20:19 #61092 | |
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GW43125
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" said:Wouldn't be able to attach a loco at Stevenage, would have to be diesel-hauled from Peterborough.Alternatively, the loco could just wait in SVG P1? Log in to reply The following user said thank you: valenta43002 |
| Drags 29/05/2014 at 20:25 #61093 | |
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Sacro
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" said:" said:It can wait anywhere, but there's not the signalling to allow the attachmentWouldn't be able to attach a loco at Stevenage, would have to be diesel-hauled from Peterborough.Alternatively, the loco could just wait in SVG P1? Log in to reply |
| Drags 29/05/2014 at 20:28 #61094 | |
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scottlowes
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Ive managed to get them to couple at stevenage platform 1 by reversing the class 67 but as has been said the signalling isn't there for it, im assuming that this would not be prototypical?
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| Drags 29/05/2014 at 20:48 #61097 | |
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metcontrol
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If this scenario were to take place (as opposed to a diversion via Hertford) then the consist would either arrive in the area with the loco already attached, or the joining/splitting would take place at Hitchin. There are a few more shunt signals there, and in "real-life" this has always been a more likely place where things like this were done.
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| Drags 29/05/2014 at 21:57 #61102 | |
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Danny252
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" said:If this scenario were to take place (as opposed to a diversion via Hertford) then the consist would either arrive in the area with the loco already attached, or the joining/splitting would take place at Hitchin. There are a few more shunt signals there, and in "real-life" this has always been a more likely place where things like this were done.It's not a matter of having "more shunt signals", it's whether the stations are signalled permissively. The only places that I can see denoted as Permissive are KX, Stevenage Down Slow Platform (EMUs only), Gordon Hill Up Bay, and Hertford North Down Main (EMUs only) and Down Bay. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: scottlowes |
| Drags 29/05/2014 at 23:44 #61111 | |
kaiwhara
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In reality I would imagine (short of dragging out my Sectional Appendix) that the drag would have to be right through to Peterborough,
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| Drags 30/05/2014 at 00:10 #61113 | |
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Late Turn
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Surely the current GSR 10.3 (shunting movement made under the authority of a shunt signal) and TCB reg 3.3.1 (stating that permissive regs don't need to be carried out for a shunting movement into an occupied section to attach vehicles etc.) permit the desired movement to be made at either Stevenage or Hitchin, even if the signalling itself doesn't (no suitable shunt signal at the former, and I'm not sure whether the signal back into the Up platform at the latter will come off into an occupied platform) - obviously requiring the loco to be dropped onto the train and not vice-versa - though I'd agree that dragging through from Peterborough, or diverting via Hertford if possible, would be preferable in reality.
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| Drags 30/05/2014 at 08:49 #61121 | |
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metcontrol
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" said:It's not a matter of having "more shunt signals", it's whether the stations are signalled permissively.I meant this more as a casual observation rather than a deeper technical comment. I merely took a quick look at the sim to refresh my memory of what signals were available. I didn't have time to test anything out. Also as a life-long observer of this line, I was merely commenting that it has generally always been the case that such moves would be carried out here as opposed to somewhere like Stevenage. I'm also thinking back to when Hitchin was a stabling point and also a fairly busy freight location, and as a result would also have had more staff available to assist - but that's obviously a long time before the likes of Classes 67 and 91. Log in to reply |
| Drags 30/05/2014 at 09:11 #61123 | |
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kbarber
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Of course special instructions could - in theory at least - be issued in the WON for all concerned to observe, to authorise a normally-forbidden procedure and indicate how it was to be carried out and what precautions would be applied to ensure it would be done safely. Whether such things would be done is, of course, a different matter entirely.
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| Drags 30/05/2014 at 09:38 #61124 | |
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AndyG
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There was a (older) WTT available which simulated a weekend blockade at Biggleswade, with drags from WGC to Royston/Cambridge. Diesels were attached just north of WGC at WGC North (rev), and detached in P1, so that the diesel could run via reversing siding and the flyover ready for its next duty. Can't recall whether the attaches were valid signalled moves or not, but was a enjoyable variation for KX. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| Drags 30/05/2014 at 22:08 #61154 | |
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Josie
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I refreshed that timetable for an intermediate version of KX, and from my memory the loco would sit at Digswell Junction and the train would be signalled on from the rear with an instruction to pass the signal at danger (no relevant calling-on signals there).
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