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"Assessor Options = Pause/Unpause" 16/06/2014 at 21:50 #61740
CTCThiago
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232 posts 		Hello All,

On the new loader version, we got a function "Pause/Unpause", on "Train List Window" (TLW) (you can view by right click on a train at "TLW" and choose "assessor options" then "pause/unpause" to pause, then, when needed you do the same procedure to unpause the train), i often use this function when i need to hold a train in a station for another train to use a crossover ahead (to not let the train depart the station) and another reasons too, but my request is, can this function be available for clients on multiplayer games?

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Thiago.
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"Assessor Options = Pause/Unpause" 16/06/2014 at 22:17 #61741
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Online 		I tend to use those red, yellow and green things...what are they called again...oh aye, signals, to do that.
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"Assessor Options = Pause/Unpause" 16/06/2014 at 23:09 #61742
Stephen Fulcher
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Online 		This sounds like a system for an assessor to cause a train to be delayed. It has nothing to do with regulation or signalling as this is, as sloppyjag states, what signals are for.
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"Assessor Options = Pause/Unpause" 17/06/2014 at 00:18 #61743
CTCThiago
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232 posts 		" said:
I tend to use those red, yellow and green things...what are they called again...oh aye, signals, to do that.
Can you replace an automatic signal (without using F11)?, if you can do, show me how, i think you don't get the question. And no sarcasm please. I'm enough of comments like yours, if you don't have a consistant answer, just don't reply. I'm trying to be polite with my posts, just trying... and i expect the same on answers. IF POSSIBLE.

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"Assessor Options = Pause/Unpause" 17/06/2014 at 00:20 #61744
CTCThiago
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232 posts 		" said:
This sounds like a system for an assessor to cause a train to be delayed. It has nothing to do with regulation or signalling as this is, as sloppyjag states, what signals are for.
Stephen, I mean, it's like the signaller calling the driver, to stop, and wait for further instructions (various reasons).

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"Assessor Options = Pause/Unpause" 17/06/2014 at 01:21 #61745
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I tend to use those red, yellow and green things...what are they called again...oh aye, signals, to do that.
Can you replace an automatic signal (without using F11)?, if you can do, show me how, i think you don't get the question. And no sarcasm please. I'm enough of comments like yours, if you don't have a consistant answer, just don't reply. I'm trying to be polite with my posts, just trying... and i expect the same on answers. IF POSSIBLE.

Thiago.
Automatic signals can only be replaced if they have an (emergency) replacement button - the letter "E" or "R" next to a button by the signal. Right-click these to replace it. Note that the "E" buttons are generally only supposed to be used in an emergency.

if you mean a semi-automatic signal, simply cancel the route set (by right-clicking the signal, then if you have the "right click cancels route" option disabled, select "cancel route" from the resulting context menu) to cancel the automatic route resetting.

However, I agree with others - I'm really not sure what you're trying to do that requires stopping trains for a while at automatic signals. Can you provide an example (preferably with screenshots so I don't have to download/run the sim in question)?
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"Assessor Options = Pause/Unpause" 17/06/2014 at 04:41 #61747
CTCThiago
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I tend to use those red, yellow and green things...what are they called again...oh aye, signals, to do that.
Can you replace an automatic signal (without using F11)?, if you can do, show me how, i think you don't get the question. And no sarcasm please. I'm enough of comments like yours, if you don't have a consistant answer, just don't reply. I'm trying to be polite with my posts, just trying... and i expect the same on answers. IF POSSIBLE.

Thiago.
Automatic signals can only be replaced if they have an (emergency) replacement button - the letter "E" or "R" next to a button by the signal. Right-click these to replace it. Note that the "E" buttons are generally only supposed to be used in an emergency.
I mean automatic signals, not semi-automatic signals. You don't have control of automatic signals. (Only near a controlled signal, as you can change the aspect of the "controlled signal" causing the "automatic signal" to change the aspect.

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However, I agree with others - I'm really not sure what you're trying to do that requires stopping trains for a while at automatic signals. Can you provide an example (preferably with screenshots so I don't have to download/run the sim in question)?
I'm not trying to stop trains at automatic signals, I'm trying to stop trains at stations, covered by automatic signals sections. As i said before, if i need to hold a train in a "station", and i don't have controlled signals on the end of platforms to hold at red, (and not change the timetable), i need to pause the train, or in real world, call the driver and tell him to wait in the station with the doors open, until i can call him again and authorize the departure (until i unpause the train), hope you get the main reason.

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"Assessor Options = Pause/Unpause" 17/06/2014 at 05:39 #61749
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5419 posts 		Sounds a bit like on the Underground when sometimes the driver announces that "I've been asked to wait here for a minute to regulate the service".

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"Assessor Options = Pause/Unpause" 17/06/2014 at 05:55 #61750
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306 posts 		We stop trains in platforms with automatic signals by calling the driver on the radio and asking them to wait there regardless of aspect until we contact them again. How you put that into a sim I'm not sure as there is a reluctance to simulate areas and eras that have CSR/GSMR where we would contact the driver on the move (their discretion whether they stop their train to answer or answer on the move or just listen to our message over the cab speaker), but that's how we do it in our area anyway.
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"Assessor Options = Pause/Unpause" 17/06/2014 at 06:29 #61751
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699 posts 		It makes sense to hold passenger trains in platforms if something's gone wrong and they might otherwise end up standing in the middle of nowhere for an hour or more, but I can't see any reason to do so just to avoid a brief signal check whilst a conflicting move is made at a junction!

Incidentally, an automatic signal with an "E" or "R" button is still an automatic signal - a semi-automatic signal is similar in function as far as the controlling box is concerned, but can be replaced to danger by a ground frame, crossing box, swing bridge and so on. Just a little detail, but worth pointing out all the same.
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"Assessor Options = Pause/Unpause" 17/06/2014 at 09:33 #61752
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232 posts 		" said:
It makes sense to hold passenger trains in platforms if something's gone wrong and they might otherwise end up standing in the middle of nowhere for an hour or more,
You got it.

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but I can't see any reason to do so just to avoid a brief signal check whilst a conflicting move is made at a junction!
Indeed.

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Incidentally, an automatic signal with an "E" or "R" button is still an automatic signal - a semi-automatic signal is similar in function as far as the controlling box is concerned, but can be replaced to danger by a ground frame, crossing box, swing bridge and so on. Just a little detail, but worth pointing out all the same.
Thanks for clarify.
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"Assessor Options = Pause/Unpause" 17/06/2014 at 20:27 #61789
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Hello All,

On the new loader version, we got a function "Pause/Unpause", on "Train List Window" (TLW) (you can view by right click on a train at "TLW" and choose "assessor options" then "pause/unpause" to pause, then, when needed you do the same procedure to unpause the train), i often use this function when i need to hold a train in a station for another train to use a crossover ahead (to not let the train depart the station) and another reasons too, but my request is, can this function be available for clients on multiplayer games?

Regards,
Thiago.
Apologies if you took my light hearted reply as sarcasm but in the example you used (which I have emboldened) the only way you can allow another train to use a crossover ahead is to use signals. Pausing a train isn't going to make a blind bit of difference if you have already set a route over the crossover the other train wants to use. No?
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"Assessor Options = Pause/Unpause" 18/06/2014 at 08:36 #61810
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1764 posts 		As a signalman I can't imagine ever asking a train to wait in a station while a conflicting move took place ahead. If there was a significant failure that would cause major hassle I would probably ask the station staff to hold trains (assuming 'twas a staffed station... some weren't). But there would be no guarantee the train wouldn't have gone quietly on its way while they were still speaking on the phone. But then, of course, you'd end up with the trains behind being stopped for hours in open country, so it didn't really make a great deal of difference.

Of course those were the days of slam doors and, certainly in the London commuter area, if they were delayed too long the punters passengers customers would simply get out and walk :doh Which meant cautioning trains through the affected area for hours after the failure was cleared, until it was pretty certain they'd all found their way off the railway. (It was even worse where 3rd rail electrification existed, as you had to isolate the traction current until you could get the line cleared, which meant people started getting out and walking from the trains that were stopped beyond the isolation, which meant taking the juice off there, which meant... Thank heavens for sliding doors and a hex on the elfin safety people who decreed they had to have passenger releases!)
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